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roofcleanerspalmbeachcom wrote:

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So if bleach is 5-8%

ARM recommends 'Solutions range fron one cup of TSP, one gallon bleach, and five gallons water, to one cup TSP and 2.5 gallons 'each' off bleach and water.

Arm does not mention chlorine of SH which are a lot stronger

So the strongest mix is bleach cut 50% with water, and one cup TSP. This would be 2.5% - 4% strength. And it has to be rinsed off the roof 15- 20 minutes later 'finally rinse the solution (bleach ranging from 1:5 to max 50/50 water) from the roof by gently spraying the roof (entire) surface with water.

Now we know your not using bleach, perhaps even stronger cholrine but probably with SH which you can mix concentrations far higher than 2.5-4%, as well as adding other chemicals/soaps that are not approved.

You just can't catch on, can you? First off, it's not ARM, it's ARMA.

Secondly, ARMA did not say we couldn't add dish liquid, or any other soap, to make the mix a bit thicker.

Third, you keep quoting them, but you don't follow their directions at all - you use nothing!

Chlorox makes 8.5% and, even though you obviously don't know it, that's simply 8.5% S H = SH.I told you in the beginning to go look at your wife's bottle of bleach, but you refuse to learn anything about the subject. If you go look, you will see it says the only active ingredient is S H - get it? SH, the same as pool chlorine 100%

THIS IS FROM THE EPA - -

Product: CONCENTRATED CLOROX GERMICIDAL

BLEACH1

EPA Reg#:

5813

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100

Registrant:

THE CLOROX COMPANY

Approval Date:

01/12/2011

Active Ingredient:

S H

8.25%

Now, the chlorine - S H [ I'll go slow, so you can keep up ] we buy, [ at least in my area]  [unlike you, I don't want to just "say things, I don't know about the whole country?"]  is 10.5% when it is manufactured, according to the supplier I buy from. After sitting in a 2000 gallon container, at the pool store for a week or more, maybe a month, you would be lucky if it was 8.5%

Anyway, to your benefit, say it's still 10%. To clean shingled roofs, most of us use 25% SH and the rest water, and we "MAY" add 44 ounces of dish liquid to a 100 gallon tank. Do you do any math? I see you missed all the school classes on spelling So, the math = 10% Chlorine - using a 25% mix = 2.5% { RIGHT??? } Are you able to follow this? It's not calculus!

ARMA [ not arm ] says we can use 50% bleach and at 8.5% that's 4.2.5

So, I guess, according to you and the ARMA, we need to use a stronger mix!

What they DO NOT SAY, is to clean the shingles like you do. With no bleach! They know perfectly well, that you are not killing the algae / bacteria and so, you are giving your customers almost nothing for their money. You are just blowing the algae / bacteria all around and onto everything adjacent to the roof! You are spoiling the environment!



This is the problem chemical tank mixes that are potent / strong and designed by chemical roof cleaners to stay on the roof and NOT be rinsed off the roof in 15 mins otherwise there will be dead vegetation, and damaged surfaces downstairs

Hmmmm, you "assume an awful lot, for a guy who knows very little on the subject! Who says we don't rinse the roofs off? Just you I guess? Where did you hear that we never rinse? You just keep showing, over and over, that you know nothing on the subject, you don't kill the roof infestations, you just blow them around and you "assume" just about everything you "think" you know! Obviously, if we were killing vegetation, like you "assume" we would not stay in business long! Are there uninformed people out there, softwashing roofs improperly and killing plants? I have no doubt! That is how guys like you get one of the few pictures that you steal online, of dead plants to post! Clearly, you "assume" all other pressure washing businesses, EXCEPT YOU OF COURSE, are cleaning roofs wrong, because they all use bleach through their injectors, so as to give their customers something for their money = DEAD ALGAE / BACTERIA! You stand alone - according to you - and leave the infestations of algae / bacteria alive and well and just fool the homeowner into thinking you got rid of it. All you actually do is make it not appear to still be there. You have certainly done yourself a lot of "internet" damage, by starting this debate, which you have lost a dozen times over, in anyone's eyes. In the meantime, you have given us Non-Pressure Cleaning Contractors a good opportunity, to teach the public the difference between your pressure washing, which causes damage to the shingles and just blows the living organisms on the roof all over everything as it simply continues to grow on the roof, with millions of living spores, that you refuse to kill, as the roofing manufacturers specify.

I have seen other "Guests" show up, showing more respect for the privilege of posting here and present much more interesting debates than your "water only" stand. VERY WEAK to say the least!



How many of you chemical roof cleaners are using stronger mixes of 4% and not rinsing the roof after application in 15 mins....if you are your voiding the ARM guidelines and voiding the warranty. Soft wash is a neat way to miss represent strong chemicals applied and not rinsed off no

Hmmmm, you are hard to follow, with all your misspelling and random thoughts! No, Softwash is what we do, my pump puts out 60 psi and that's before it runs through 225' of 1/2" ID hose and a gun and a tip!

You [ according to you ] are using at least many hundreds of pounds of pressure! Heck, you can rub shingle granules off, by lightly brushing your hand over them! 500 pounds of pressure will blow a good % of them off, along with the still living algae / bacteria all over everything in the area and still leave a good solid seeding on the roof, growing strong, because you did nothing to disinfect the roof-nothing at all!

Again my low pressure water method is better...looks like I have my IP blocked in the last week ...now my user banned....so much for the offer to join Chris on the first page...I guess free speech is under censorship here. So much for industry debate in finding better ways to tackle roofs. I wish you all the best and good paying jobs

Chris Tucker is a very nice, easy going guy, who puts up with "Guests" slandering our method much longer than you will find on other websites! On most, before now, you would have disappeared, along with your jabber. Your pressure washing method is not better, it's useless - you don't kill the algae / bacteria! If you were a pest control guy, you would make it so that the homeowner could not see the ants, termites and other pests for a while - get your $$$ and let the colonies thrive and come back! Maybe you don't follow the manufacturers guidelines and kill the growth, because that way you can come back next year and take their money again! Our work usually lasts 4 years! Our customers get what they pay for - Algae / bacteria eradication!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if bleach is 5-8%

ARM recommends 'Solutions range fron one cup of TSP, one gallon bleach, and five gallons water, to one cup TSP and 2.5 gallons 'each' off bleach and water.

Arm does not mention chlorine of SH which are a lot stronger

So the strongest mix is bleach cut 50% with water, and one cup TSP. This would be 2.5% - 4% strength. And it has to be rinsed off the roof 15- 20 minutes later 'finally rinse the solution (bleach ranging from 1:5 to max 50/50 water) from the roof by gently spraying the roof (entire) surface with water.

Now we know your not using bleach, perhaps even stronger cholrine but probably with SH which you can mix concentrations far higher than 2.5-4%, as well as adding other chemicals/soaps that are not approved



This is the problem chemical tank mixes that are potent / strong and designed by chemical roof cleaners to stay on the roof and NOT be rinsed off the roof in 15 mins otherwise there will be dead vegetation, and damaged surfaces downstairs



How many of you chemical roof cleaners are using stronger mixes of 4% and not rinsing the roof after application in 15 mins....if you are your voiding the ARM guidelines and voiding the warranty. Soft wash is a neat way to miss represent strong chemicals applied and not rinsed off no

Again my low pressure water method is better...looks like I have my IP blocked in the last week ...now my user banned....so much for the offer to join Chris on the first page...I guess free speech is under censorship here. So much for industry debate in finding better ways to tackle roofs. I wish you all the best and good paying jobs

Product: CONCENTRATED CLOROX GERMICIDAL

BLEACH1

EPA Reg#:

5813

-

100

Registrant:

THE CLOROX COMPANY

Approval Date:

01/12/2011

Active Ingredient:

S H

8.25%

-- Edited by roofcleanerspalmbeachcom on Tuesday 27th of January 2015 07:53:02 PM

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roofcleanerspalmbeachcom wrote:

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So if bleach is 5-8%

ARM recommends 'Solutions range fron one cup of TSP, one gallon bleach, and five gallons water, to one cup TSP and 2.5 gallons 'each' off bleach and water.

Arm does not mention chlorine of SH which are a lot stronger

So the strongest mix is bleach cut 50% with water, and one cup TSP. This would be 2.5% - 4% strength. (Nope...if you read what I said where most of us use 12.5 % bleach (also called S H), a 50/50 mix would render a mix around 6.25 % bleach, and about 93.75% water, minus a little bit of surfactant which in the measurement doesn't make a lot of difference.  No matter how you cut it, a 6.25 % mix is much stronger than you need to clean a roof.  Other cleaning jobs can go down to ~0.75 % SH and still do a good job cleaning if you know what you're doing.) And it has to be rinsed off the roof 15- 20 minutes later 'finally rinse the solution (bleach ranging from 1:5 to max 50/50 water) from the roof by gently spraying the roof (entire) surface with water.

Now we know your not using bleach, perhaps even stronger cholrine but probably with SH which you can mix concentrations far higher than 2.5-4%, as well as adding other chemicals/soaps that are not approved

Huh?  not using bleach...stronger chlorine but probably with SH?  Are you assuming these are all different products?


This is the problem chemical tank mixes that are potent / strong and designed by chemical roof cleaners to stay on the roof and NOT be rinsed off the roof in 15 mins otherwise there will be dead vegetation, and damaged surfaces downstairs



How many of you chemical roof cleaners are using stronger mixes of 4% and not rinsing the roof after application in 15 mins....if you are your voiding the ARM guidelines and voiding the warranty. Soft wash is a neat way to miss represent strong chemicals applied and not rinsed off no  

Again, show us where the ARM (LOL...) says this voids the warranty?  I think you mean ARMA.  You'd think someone working in the roof cleaning for 24 years would know this term well. 

Again my low pressure water method is better...looks like I have my IP blocked in the last week ...now my user banned....so much for the offer to join Chris on the first page...I guess free speech is under censorship here. So much for industry debate in finding better ways to tackle roofs. I wish you all the best and good paying jobs

Chris probably offered to let you join so you could learn, but it appears that is not happening very fast.  It almost looks like you're putting up bogus info trying to get us to tell you exactly what we do on every single different type of surface.  Sad thing is many of these people would have been willing to take you under their wing for several jobs and help you get around the learning curve you so obviously are aching for.

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I was laughing so hard, I pissed my pants!

Please go some where else with all your BS and drama

Is this thread still going? Aren't your fingers getting tired...LOL?

roofcleanerspalmbeachcom wrote:

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Every surface has different psi...my machine can go low low psi, or I can turn it up.

So can any of you comment about rinsing down the roof with water 15 mins after to chem it?...do you all do this?

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Still looking for a free education?   

Wow this guy is really just unrealistic. Its the old saying if you keep saying the same thing over and over then eventually you will believe it even if it is not true. If a lite rain can knock off granules then his high volume high pressure will most likely knock off the granules as well.

While I didn't get to post it has been fun watching the Pro's attempt to educate a know nothing.

A person who is good at "Photo Shop" type work, could easily make this picture.
I know that at least 1 of the owners of the business "Ugly Shingles" can do it!
If you look closely, the part that's supposed to be dead, is all angled in 1 direction-almost like it was put in the picture? Also, there should be some "browning" near the dead portion, but there's not, it's like lines were drawn and only that area was touched? Don't look right to me!
That's not to say that if a roof without gutters was cleaned by an inexperienced person, that the plants couldn't be killed-they certainly could be! But, that's no reason not to hire a professional.
An inexperienced lawn care person could ruin your whole lawn, by applying wrong chemicals to it. That's no reason not to hire an experienced lawn care professional.
From personal experience, I have done this work for over 20 years now and, to be honest, I have "browned" a few plants temporarily, yellowed and knocked some leaves off and flat out killed 6 plants, - that I had to replace - that's not much for over 20 years! The browned, yellowed and leaf loss plants all came back, after I spent some time trimming and water-water-watering!

In every trade, there's occasional mistakes, but professional have very few and jump to take care of fixing the problem!

This guy is a rare bird for sure. He supposedly has 24 years in the industry and still doesn't know the term ARMA? I'm guessing he came here starting a discussion trying to get everybody to tell them all their tips and tricks they paid for either through cash for classes or through the school of hard knocks. If he had just simply asked if someone here would take a few jobs and let him shadow them and learn a few tricks and tips, he probably would have had half a dozen or more offers. That's how I got my start. Someone offered to let me shadow them on several jobs and let me see if this was something I really wanted to do and felt I was able to do. Not long after I was getting some training and going out to get some jobs. I will definitely be using some of what this guy said when some customers ask about pressure washing vs. soft washing. What a great wealth of information on why not to hire a pressure washer for roofs, or him directly. I can't believe he drove across the customers lawn versus carrying or carting his equipment where he needed it. Some yahoos drove across my moms lawn when they were cutting down trees and left tracks all the way around the house.

I've asked him probably 5 or 6 times what kind of warranty he gives his customers but I can't get an answer, which makes me think his warranty is the "tail light warranty" which for those that haven't heard that, the job is warrantied until his tail lights leave the drive way. I'd bet at best he gives a year.