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Onarooftop · Premium Member Roof Cleaning Institute of America

RE: Cleaning Roofs With Powdered Pool Shock ?

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Yea, what Dan experienced is what 99% of people who try CH experience. Using CH is trickier, and less room for error than liquid hypo. But it is a roof cleaning chemical either way. As Chris stated, it would have a definite marketing advantage, especially with the longevity you get with a CH cleaned roof. They last at least twice as long. CH comes in percentages as high as 73%. Back a long time ago when I was using it on a regular basis it was only 57%, if I remember correctly, so I need to try and work on this again, especially now Chris has me thinking of the mixing water could be a simple, effective step forward.

Jeff

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Onarooftop wrote:
Chris,
It's exciting to see that you are looking into / experimenting with new chemicals etc.
SH is almost impossible to get around my area and where I do find it .....it's not that
fresh and isn't sold in large bulk quantities. A less expensive alternative would be great.

As roof cleaners, we should be like NFL Teams, and always have a new, or a backup plan.

Guest

Actually, when I think about it,..I was cleaning roofs with CH way back when and thought it wasn't too bad,..until I found liquid in bulk. But the point is,..it is able to be accomplished,..and I wasn't even as adept at the process then as I am now with the comfort level and ease of roof cleaning,...I think I may try CH on a roof sometime,...just the way I did it before except with better application method,..no special water or anything,....should be very manageable these days. We shall see!!

Jeff

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Raystown Roof Cleaning Central PA 1-800-236-0322 wrote:
Actually, when I think about it,..I was cleaning roofs with CH way back when and thought it wasn't too bad,..until I found liquid in bulk. But the point is,..it is able to be accomplished,..and I wasn't even as adept at the process then as I am now with the comfort level and ease of roof cleaning,...I think I may try CH on a roof sometime,...just the way I did it before except with better application method,..no special water or anything,....should be very manageable these days. We shall see!!

Jeff

I hate the residue it leaves behind, in the tank.

If that stuff gets into the roof cleaning pump, say goodbye to the pump!

Guest

There's no need for the bulk of residue to end up in the tank. Premixing it in another tank will allow for the residue to settle to the bottom. Yea, cleaning the premix tank once in a while will be needed,..but,..oh well. One thing at a time. I know for a fact that when CH settles out it is pretty clear,..still has hard characteristics and leaves a white film,...but not near as bad as before it settles. I also use to strain it when I would mix it at home or on the job,...remember the pantyhose and vegetable strainer thread from a few years ago Chris? Ha,Ha,...

Jeff

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Raystown Roof Cleaning Central PA 1-800-236-0322 wrote:
There's no need for the bulk of residue to end up in the tank. Premixing it in another tank will allow for the residue to settle to the bottom. Yea, cleaning the premix tank once in a while will be needed,..but,..oh well. One thing at a time. I know for a fact that when CH settles out it is pretty clear,..still has hard characteristics and leaves a white film,...but not near as bad as before it settles. I also use to strain it when I would mix it at home or on the job,...remember the pantyhose and vegetable strainer thread from a few years ago Chris? Ha,Ha,...

Jeff

Heck Yes, I remember that! I have been SOOO Busy Jeff lately. I am down one roof cleaning crew, had truck problems, then the rain and wind has caused plenty of resceduling.

Then, with all the crap on the forum lately, I haven't had the time I want to research the CH Scale Formation problem, Like I want to.

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Jeff, have you ever tried a strainer to keep the CH out of your tank (The deeper the strainer basket, the better, I would think) biggrin

Of course, the CH will attack the metal in the strainer, even if it is stainless steel. An all plastic strainer will be better, of course,

A to Z · Deleted

Chris you should at least give credit to where you saw the strainer. I like you big man, but that post was on another forum just a few hours ago.

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A to Z wrote:
Chris you should at least give credit to where you saw the strainer. I like you big man, but that post was on another forum just a few hours ago.

What are u talking about Zack, I have visited no other forums today besides PWI, and then only very briefly.

Are you saying I saw it on PWI, if so, point me to it.

A to Z · Deleted

It's all good Chris, forget I posted anything.
I don't want to be one creating drama.

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A to Z wrote:
It's all good Chris, forget I posted anything.
I don't want to be one creating drama.

No Problem my friend biggrin

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Raystown Roof Cleaning Central PA 1-800-236-0322 wrote:
There's no need for the bulk of residue to end up in the tank. Premixing it in another tank will allow for the residue to settle to the bottom. Yea, cleaning the premix tank once in a while will be needed,..but,..oh well. One thing at a time. I know for a fact that when CH settles out it is pretty clear,..still has hard characteristics and leaves a white film,...but not near as bad as before it settles. I also use to strain it when I would mix it at home or on the job,...remember the pantyhose and vegetable strainer thread from a few years ago Chris? Ha,Ha,...

Jeff

Yes, with a smaller, dedicated mixing tank, you could "hook up some concentrated monster chit" in that tank, and simply pump it out, as needed, into the main tank of your softwash system, then dilute it to clean roofs with, or whatever!

LOL, no "agitation" required disbelief

Hey, here is what you do Jeff. Buy you some rubber hot water bottles, poke smalll holes in them, then fill them to the gills with the CH, and toss them into your tank of warm water, overnight.

In the morning, the chlorine in the CH will all be dissolved, but the CH rocks will stay behind, in the water bottles

I am still investigating some additives we can use to lower, or maybe even prevent, scale formation!

I am sure you know that hot water dissolves the CH better then cold water.

Jeff, before I discovered the secret treatment chemical we use to keep roofs cleaner longer, I have used CH and water to "treat" roofs with.

One day, my Men did not know I already added CH to their tanks water, so they added some more!

Well Jeff, it left a nasty film on the roofs they treated with it. Not knowing what to do, I told the customers they were seeing the "roof treatment film" that would go away after a few good rains (lucky it was summer time in Florida).

It did go away ..... eventually, but I bit my nails plenty over that film!

Guest

Interesting information Chris, I think eventually it may be doable to clean roofs with CH and keep the hassle to a minimum. Yes, a strainer basket is also a good idea,..the bigger the better.

I'm wondering where Zach seen someone else talking about this?? I'd be interested in knowing for the sake of learning from others' ideas,...I'd like to see some other takes on this whole CH thing,..not many have really worked on it to my knowledge.

Jeff

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Raystown Roof Cleaning Central PA 1-800-236-0322 wrote:
Interesting information Chris, I think eventually it may be doable to clean roofs with CH and keep the hassle to a minimum. Yes, a strainer basket is also a good idea,..the bigger the better.

I'm wondering where Zach seen someone else talking about this?? I'd be interested in knowing for the sake of learning from others' ideas,...I'd like to see some other takes on this whole CH thing,..not many have really worked on it to my knowledge.

Jeff

I have always had an interest in it, but because SH is so cheap and plentiful here in Tampa Florida, I never really pursued it, full steam ahead.

It just plain is not as good for cleaning roofs as SH is, and is way more hassle to use. Over the many years I have been studying roof cleaning, I have come across several people up north in the past, who were using it to clean roofs with. So, the use of CH to clean with is not "something new", or any kind of a "revolution", in cleaning technology. However, the guys who contacted me from up north who were using CH, switched over to SH, once they found out where to get it from.

Back in those days Jeff, we were using things like Roller and John Blue Pumps, and these pumps required a bypass hose, back to the Tank, to relieve pressure on the pump. What was cool about the bypass hose Jeff is it provided for the constant mixing (through agitation) of our AppleSauce Mix. AppleSauce has TSP in it, and it, like CH, is not the most water soluble chit in the world.

However, we abandoned Roller and John Blue Roof Cleaning Pumps long ago (and their trouble prone bypass hoses), in favor or the much more reliable Air Pumps.

LOL, you have not "lived" until you are up on a roof, lose pressure, and see the bypass hose (that has come off the tank connection) marinating the entire block with The AppleSauce!

Just TRY and grab that hose, or even get near the pump, to shut the freaking thing down!

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Raystown Roof Cleaning Central PA 1-800-236-0322 wrote:
Besides Ron, that really isn't the discussion we're having on this. I was using CH (Successfully) years before AC ever even though about selling it as a product. Chris and I are just hashing around what we've talked about numerous times over the years. Simple as that Ron.

Jeff

Jeff, ever measured the PH of your local water ?

You know, we are just ASSUMING that Calcium H is safer for plants when roof cleaning then Soduim H, but is it, really ?

Weed Killer

Calcium H can be used to kill any kind of weed. The chemical causes the plant to break down, killing it at the root. Calcium H is a very effective weed killer, but it should not be used around areas with children, because it is toxic to humans. You can either use the powered or liquid form to kill weeds. Always wear gloves, goggles, and a dust mask while working with dangerous chemicals. If you use the powered form of calcium H, mix in about ¼ cup of powder to 1 gallon of water. Place this solution in a spray bottle and spray on the weeds. This should kill them in just a few days. The liquid calcium H should be diluted to about ¼ strength. Apply this solution to the weeds in the same manner. If the weeds do not seem to be dying, increase the strength of the calcium H. You can also place some of the powder at the base of the weeds, allowing the powder to seep into the ground when it rains or when you water the ground. However, if you do this, then the surrounding grass will likely also die.

Where I buy my Liquid S H from, they are very very careful to store it in a place all it's own, for safety! It CAN be some nasty, dangerous chit, as shown by this video.

Here is an excerpt from an article where swimming pool chemicals have burned, or exploded in South Florida.

Nobody wants to classify anything as `E` occupancy, because it`s so restrictive,`` Edwards said. ``It has to be 50 feet from the nearest building, it has to have thick fire walls, and that gets expensive.``

After a towering chemical fire gutted the Outdoor World pool chemical company in Fort Lauderdale in October, Edwards sorted through the wreckage.

His investigation determined that the company stored its chemicals improperly. He now is busy testifying in lawsuits filed by those who say they were injured or their property was damaged by the fire`s toxic smoke.

The Outdoor World fire started when an employee dumped crates of calcium H, a form of powdered chlorine, onto the floor. The chemical mixed with motor oil and ignited.

``Calcium H is probably the most dangerous and unpredictable product a pool chemical company has,`` Manley said. ``The key to safely handling it is storing it by itself.``

At Manley`s Pool Water Products, about 50 canisters of calcium H sit in a large concrete bay all their own. ``Stored that way, they won`t catch fire,`` he said.

In many other warehouses throughout Broward, containers of calcium H in crowded storerooms rest on wooden pallets, on flattened cardboard boxes or on containers of other chemicals, officials said.

``If it`s in somebody`s warehouse or building, it kind of falls through the cracks,`` said the environmental regulation department`s Lee. ``I`m not even sure who truly regulates these raw materials in storage. At present, there`s a trend to deregulate these companies even more, spurred by people who say we`re overregulating at the expense of free enterprise.``

Ultimately, Lee said, state standards may require regular testing of employees who handle pool products. He also hopes the insurance industry will begin to perform inspections and reward conscientious companies with lower insurance rates.

For now, managers of pool companies and other stores that handle the products must take responsibility for safe handling of their own wares.

``It`s absolutely vital that employees are properly trained before going to work with these things,`` Lee said. ``Ordinary people can help too, by prodding companies in their communities to be safety-conscious.``

Ron Musgraves · National Cleaning Expo's

Mistakes Happen, I'm sure when mike releases a product in the future they will make sure they have it right.

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Ron Musgraves wrote:
Mistakes Happen, I'm sure when mike releases a product in the future they will make sure they have it right.

How can you blame Mike Hinderliter, when AC Lockyer of Softwash Systems is the one who sold him that chit that left a film everywhere.

Mike's only mistake was to put his trust in AC, and what he sold. As a distributor, he expected, and rightfully so, a fully tested product.

This is what he got instead

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Besides Ron, that really isn't the discussion we're having on this. I was using CH (Successfully) years before AC ever even though about selling it as a product. Chris and I are just hashing around what we've talked about numerous times over the years. Simple as that Ron.

Jeff

Ron Musgraves · National Cleaning Expo's

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
Ron Musgraves wrote:
Mistakes Happen, I'm sure when mike releases a product in the future they will make sure they have it right.
How can you blame Mike Hinderliter, when AC Lockyer of Softwash Systems is the one who sold him that chit that left a film everywhere.
Mike's only mistake was to put his trust in AC, and what he sold. As a distributor, he expected, and rightfully so, a fully tested product.
This is what he got instead

No as a Distributor you have to have folks Test things, good customers Beta test products before you go Live to the Public. Especially when brewing yourself. As you know lots can go wrong even with a Home Mix, reality and Fantasy. You can argue Chris but at the days end you are smart and know this is the truth.

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