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Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

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Roof Cleaning Long Island N.Y 516-763-4108 wrote:

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Chris from Ct. did call me and I did agree to let him observe some roof cleaning, but after thinking about I have decided against it for several reasons. #1 There is always a risk with insurance. #2 It will slow me down #3 Some people do charge for such training #4 Maybe if the guy was here a bit,had post and even called and talked roof cleaning before asking to come and see. Look we all worked hard here and I'm sure this guy Chris is a good guy, but I can't take anyone who calls out along with me. I had a new 5850 { not from Bob } burn out on me after a house and a half!.........Also Chris Tucker suggested Art........

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 I suggested Art because the guy wanting to learn is a remodeling and siding contractor, like Art.

I thought they might have something in common, and were far enough away from each other to not be a problem.

The guy is TRYING to learn, he just sent me this.

Apple Roof Cleaning,

Christopher Haines has sent you a new personal conversation entitled "training ch".

Christopher Haines said:
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thanks for your help-you tried.and I appreciate it.
it should b obvious that from a learning point of view its better to learn from someone experienced than to try to recreate the wheel your self. Certainly I'm not in anyones backyard I called. RCIA should institute soe type of mentorship program.----I'd be willing to PAY for that. To me it would be worth it--shortening the learning curve.
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Chris,

Give the guy my number. If he doesn't mind traveling to the Poconos I'll be happy to help him get his feet wet.

Hank

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Chris T.,

I just got off the phone with Chris H. from CT and our converstaion lasted over 40 minutes. We have a ton of things in common and will move forward helping each other.

Hank

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 Thanks Hank, I the future all Newbies are yours to deal with. Have fun.

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I am on Long Island,if anyone from N.J. or Long Island would not mind a tag along I am interested.

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 Call Hank, he will help you. He has plenty of free time to donate to your company

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And the list begins!

I guess that's just hank being a nice guy. I used to one once too!

Long time ago! Now Homey don't play dat no more! 

LOL!

this is bad precedent. nothing personal, but if somebody started up in my area, and a fellow RCIA member took him under his wing the way Hank is doing, I'd be pretty pissed.

nothing personal against my man Hank, he's a good guy, but it's an issue that I think we should take a serious look at. i mean say somebody from one of your territories just signed up here and i offered to train him. how would that go over?

i understand this guy is from CT, so it might not be applicable in this particular instance since i don't believe he's in a member's area, but why should he get preferential treatment, right as the season is starting? This just doesn't sit will with me, and has nothing to do with Hank or this guy, I just think it's a bad precedent and I'd have a serious problem if this happened in my territory, safe to say most, if not all of us would.

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I say we string Hank up. Oh, wait a minute that's me(LOL). You mean nobody got him yet? LOL

Like others I did tons of reading before I had the balls to ask a question or even post a picture. This guy is not in a member's market(CT) and that is one of the reasons I offered to help the guy. Like Mike from Premier mentioned it would be and is an issue if he was in a member's market. Someone is there, perhaps the next RCIA member, or the next to step away because of this kind of "Instant Roof Cleaner" help?

This is only my opinion(yes I know the old saying) but we need to extend ourselves to new members in an effort to grow our association, I nicely disagree 100%.  RCIA is here and will be, we answer premium member questions. Even then we don't throw RCIA out and take over with a quickie "here ya go" training-That's my opinion! LOL which will only help us in the long run. I don't think it will. I remember something I learned long ago - it's ok to just say "I WAS WRONG ABOUT THAT"  You don't have to defend your decision to the bitter end.  I've been wrong at least as often as I've been right, which is the natural order of things, I think?

When I joined back in 2008 this place was hopping with info, promotional posts, fresh content, etc. Recently it's been kind of dead. That's life, in the web world especially. It's certainly not because back in 2008 we didn't just say "Come with me tomorrow, I'll teach you everything, no need to waste your time searching this site!!"

I love everyone on here and I would never intentionally hurt someone's business interest. That's another 100%er I believe you would not do harm to any of us intentionally. Yet, from the replies, it's in favor of this being a bad move, on your part-even if it's nice. LOL

Hank

I'm sure you are a good man, but this is Hankypanky

I also bet I have caught bigger bass than you have! 3 Florida largemouth, weighed in at just over 10 lbs each. I also had an easy 13 pounder on the bank of a small backwoods lake. I had [stupidly] left my camera in my SUV and just didn't dare risk this fishes life. So, I can't prove that one. I've had them on and jump and break me off., that went over 15lbs a number of times.

You are still a nice guy, but I catch bigger bass!

Hank is a good guy and it was my pleasure to meet and talk with him at that Jersey event. Hank do what ever you feel like, if you want to help someone do it!

Bad time of the year for training class for newbie's, we are cleaning our butts off, right to the boxers.

We are seeing a lot of heavy moss, maybe because of last year rain record rain fall. Nasty. No trees, heavy moss, we clean more moss right now than algae. Nothing instant with moss, except white buds that look like snow. White roofs, that's what homeowners want for 700.00

GO Cards!!! bet the over!!

Raystown Roof Cleaning Central PA 1-800-236-0322 wrote:

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Hey Chuck, yea I think at some point it is somewhat ridiculous, my impression is there has always been a shift in these boards. I like the idea of EXCHANGING information with each other, as already established business's. Not holding the hands of potential LOCAL competition to help them get started. I have learned from these boards, but I agree with Chris's original statement,.THIS IS MADNESS, to help everyone and anyone get started. In reality, I couldn't care less if x business makes it or not. I share information here because I've also taken information and see that as fair,...and new people reading is part of it I guess.

PS- Chuck I added a little to my original post.

Jeff

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 It is too late, the Cat is already out of the bag! These boards are not as much of the problem, as the sellers of roof cleaning equipment are. 

With absolutely NO "disrespect" given or intended, anyone can call Bob or Lori, and get set up to compete with YOU!

Don't think for a minute, that a distributor will not tell or show your competition HOW to do it, or even tell him what to do, where to buy the chemical, and how to mix it!

They will do anything and everything required to make the sale, to the people who can cut your throat, because this is what they do.

Not a month goes by that we don't see a NEW Roof Cleaning Competitor, armed with MY roof cleaning technology, they bought from you know who!

Anyone who wants to, can become your competitor. The question then becomes, do you help him, or not ?

It is said "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" 

I can not clean all the roofs in Tampa, so, ask yourself, can you clean all the roofs, where you live ?

Since your competition is gonna become your competition, no matter what you do, would it not be best to befriend them ?

 

 

Raystown Roof Cleaning Central PA 1-800-236-0322 wrote:

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Every now and then a topic like this reminds me of something Chris Tucker said several years ago. He stated in a post, "THIS IS MADNESS" Referring to the fact that the seemingly small amount of roof cleaners at the time were so willing to give up enough of the "secrets" to make roof cleaning easy for anyone to start up. This current issue falls into the same category. What's the difference whether someone helps train hands on or is helping on these forums by spewing every bit of information they can think of. (Mixes, pumps, tricks, etc..) The territorial thing is irrelevant really, we're all helping our potential LOCAL competition, the hands on thing is a small factor after all this information has already been had.

Just like college or any type of course: The internship starts after the learning, and although valuable, not as important as the classroom learning.

Jeff

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 Hi Jeff,

Well, I see your point, which is, I assume,  don't teach them at all, not in person and not online at RCIA etc.

Gotta admit, that feeling "THIS IS MADNESS" hits me on a regular basis, yet we all keep on spewing the info out and creating more roof cleaners.

I do think there is 1 difference. Lots of people will come to RCIA, start reading and after a bit go back to mowing lawns or putting siding on etc.

If they get a quick hands on, in person lesson, they are much more likely to become a roof cleaner.