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RE: HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN???

Maverick Contracting · Premium Member Roof Cleaning Institute of America

You need to take more care coveringing those trees with protection

-- Edited by Maverick Contracting on Thursday 7th of July 2011 07:53:45 PM

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Dan,

There is no shot that the wind caused that damage. Wind will cause burn spots, but will not kill a tree. I am coming up on 1,000 roofs and I have never lost a tree to runoff from rain after a roof cleaning. There must be somthing more to this scenario. I'm guessing that the runoff got to it during the roof cleaning. Did the bag have a pin hole in it? Were the gutters clogged and they held a few gallons of mix that didn't come out until the rain came? There is more to this story.

Brian

Pristine Roof Cleaning New Jersey · Premium Member Roof Cleaning Institute of America

The Roof Cleaners of Chester County Pennsylvania 610-842-2104 wrote:
Dan,
There is no shot that the wind caused that damage. Wind will cause burn spots, but will not kill a tree. I am coming up on 1,000 roofs and I have never lost a tree to runoff from rain after a roof cleaning. There must be somthing more to this scenario. I'm guessing that the runoff got to it during the roof cleaning. Did the bag have a pin hole in it? Were the gutters clogged and they held a few gallons of mix that didn't come out until the rain came? There is more to this story.
Brian

but if you look at the pic the trees to the right are a little burned up too. plus the tree is green on the bottom and in the back. I don't know gonna have to correct the situation etherway. it is nutts i think ill spray one of my trees an see what happens

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It takes LOTS of really strong run off to toast a Tree. That was a root kill, because the whole dam Tree is dead. Chemical drift from the wind will spot a tree, some green will remain.

This tree died from the roots UP. Your chit was way too strong, and/or you allowed way to much of it to contact the Trees roots when it ran off. NOT saying you did it on purpose biggrin

Looks like the rain ran the chemical off, and the ground slopes, washing the chemical right into the roots, overwhelming the Tree.

Roof Cleaning Little Rock Arkansas · Guest

Damn y'all clean a lot of roofs. If I had cleaned 500 or 1000 roofs I could probably afford to buy a few trees!

Seriously I've burnt a little grass and knocked a few leaves off some bushes but nothing bad until a month ago. We cleaned a fairly simple 2500sf roof with gutters and managed to knock leaves off of about every shrub around the house. And we watered like crazy.

To top things off I was on top of getting with the homeowners to get it taken care of asap... BUT the ho's wife told me off and let me know that the damage was done. Not to do anything.

So now a month later when I called about payment she wants something done. And things are worse.

Im going to wind up biting a bullet and pay for a landscaping company to treat their shrubbery until next spring. $400 wont kill me but it does burn my azz.

Dont feel bad Dan.

Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 · Guest

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
Roof Cleaning New Jersey wrote:
Is it correct that it's the salts in the solution that kills a tree/bush after the mix has dried and rain takes it down the spout? After the mix dries the chlorine evaporates? True or not true?
Mostly, there are some residual chemicals, but Salt (Sodium Chloride) is the main culprit.
I am not sure that Vitamin C will neutralize salt, but next time McDonalds over salts my fries, I will sprinkle on some Vitamin C, and let u know
Why not just pack the downspouts with cheap bulk cotton, or baby diapers that soak up Pee

I understand what your saying Chris and my question would be how long before the SH breaks down completely. I know chlorine from the manufactoring plants start to breakdown immediatly, but when the mix hits the roof it must have to degrade over x amount of time and certain conditions factored in.

So take for instance Dan sprayed the roof left the mix on for say 2 days and then it rained an average 11/2 hour rainfall that night of day 2. Would that be the worst possible scenario for plant damage or would you say it would be neutral the next day or at the end of the job?

If so then a absorbant hazmat sock or "diaper??" could be used as a filter?

Watering is standard in Florida but arborvotae and some northern plants excessive watering is just as bad as the solution dischargd.

Kim R

Jul 7, 2011

Good spot there Ed on the other shrub showing damage. If as he says the shrub is green in the back and bottom then I would blame it on two things,maybe three. #1 It was a very windy day and spraying the left side of that peak drifted it right across the front of that shrub and also the next shrub. #2 The mix was stronger then it may have needed to be. # 3 The person spraying really let it fly in the heavy wind and the groundman didn't do a good enough job controling it. Solution....fire the sprayer and groundman and replace the tree. If the owner is one of the persons to be fired.....skip first part of solution and go right to replacing shrub.

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Pristine Roof Cleaning New Jersey wrote:
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Dan, as an expert in Home Frontal View Design I would say the tree in question is no longer cute and seems far too large for that home. You probably did them a favor and being the alleged tree expert you may be doing them a solid by getting rid of it. You don't want a dead tree of that size linger waiting to be ignited by some freak spark. Keep us informed on the solution. If this is truly your fault try to help us all by solving the riddle so this doesn't happen again to yourself or one of us.
I also noticed the tree to the right of the tree in question showing similar signs. Curious if it's related.
I saw that to, I feel that it was probably a windy day it had to be why aren't hte shrubes dead! did the job 3 weeks ago. There is no reson to try and deny it so i will be removing tree, grinding stump and replaceing it with a 6 ft fur DAM WIND!!!

That's the stand up thing to do Dan - you're handling this like a true profressional.

Roof Cleaning New Jersey · Jul 8, 2011

And just for the record guys, the whole "expert on Home Frontal View Design" thing is self-proclaimed and an utterly farcical statement.

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that tree is not dead from wind it is dead from the run off of the roof and you can see the downspout right there. thats why you must flush out the gutters when your done.

Maverick Contracting · Premium Member Roof Cleaning Institute of America

Kim R wrote:

"my question would be how long before the SH breaks down completely"

I believe since the chlorine is a gas, as soon as the solution dries all chlorine has evaporated and only sodium salt and other mix ingredients such as surfactants would be residual. Alcohol would also vaporize. Also if the residual love is on the roof and in the gutters, whether it rains that night or a week from the treatment the rehydrated residue would be just as strong. (?)

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Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 wrote:
Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:
Roof Cleaning New Jersey wrote:
Is it correct that it's the salts in the solution that kills a tree/bush after the mix has dried and rain takes it down the spout? After the mix dries the chlorine evaporates? True or not true?
Mostly, there are some residual chemicals, but Salt (Sodium Chloride) is the main culprit.
I am not sure that Vitamin C will neutralize salt, but next time McDonalds over salts my fries, I will sprinkle on some Vitamin C, and let u know
Why not just pack the downspouts with cheap bulk cotton, or baby diapers that soak up Pee
I understand what your saying Chris and my question would be how long before the SH breaks down completely. I know chlorine from the manufactoring plants start to breakdown immediatly, but when the mix hits the roof it must have to degrade over x amount of time and certain conditions factored in.
So take for instance Dan sprayed the roof left the mix on for say 2 days and then it rained an average 11/2 hour rainfall that night of day 2. Would that be the worst possible scenario for plant damage or would you say it would be neutral the next day or at the end of the job?
If so then a absorbant hazmat sock or "diaper??" could be used as a filter?
Watering is standard in Florida but arborvotae and some northern plants excessive watering is just as bad as the solution dischargd.
Kim R

Salt NEVER Degrades Kim, and that is the problem. True, when the mix dries Salt is left, and the wind will eventually scatter some of it. The stronger you make your solution, the more salt it has in it, and the more potential for plant death.

The Chlorine is greatly weakened once it battles the organic matter (algae), it is the salt that is doing this. This house that Dan did has all run off leading to the Tree!

Look at the front, when the chit comes down from the top story onto the first, it will run right into the tree roots !

Plus, all the chit from the right side of the house follows the slope of the ground, right TO the tree and it's roots.

Had Dan got a longer, harder rain, he may have been ok ?

Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 · Guest

Thanks Chris for the info I am sure many of us appreciate your expertise..

The lesson for the day biggrin

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 on Friday 8th of July 2011 06:59:03 PM

Jul 8, 2011

I'll accept Chris's answer.............

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Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 wrote:
Thanks Chris for the info I am sure many of us appreciate your expertise..
The lesson for the day

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 on Friday 8th of July 2011 06:59:03 PM

Check This Chit out, it claims to neutralize salt ?????

Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 · Guest

That could be interesting to try, use to clean pumps, hoses truck rinse and who knows what else.

I will order a small one next week.

Kim R
Hey it comes in 55 gallon drums!!
Wonder if a final roof rinse added to the roof cleaning process??

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC · Jul 9, 2011

Check This Chit out, it claims to neutralize salt ?????

We have used that to flush out our jet skis after riding the ocean. I mentioned this stuff in a post last year. Asked if anyone new what the main ingredient was. No one was interested! Bet you are interested now!!!! biggrin

Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 · Guest

Yes I am and David I totally missed that thread. have you ever used it for your equipment?

Kim R

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Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC wrote:

Check This Chit out, it claims to neutralize salt ?????
We have used that to flush out our jet skis after riding the ocean. I mentioned this stuff in a post last year. Asked if anyone new what the main ingredient was. No one was interested! Bet you are interested now!!!!

Sometimes, the "cure" can be worse than the disease!

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