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AC Lockyer wrote:

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This was written by Todd Stranberg. There is other info online just google "Jonestown 1978"

I dont think using this refrence pays tribute to the more than 900 people who died from the origon of the pop culture phrase. I am as well to blame. I even was going to have PBG T-Shirts made with the Kool-Aid guy on the back. I made an avatar of me with the Kool-Aid guy as my body. It was up for 3 minutes when I realized that was really in bad taste. I am hoping that after reading the accounts of Jonestown that everyone here will understand to use this term is in bad taste.

Thanks,

AC

Don't Drink The Kool-Aid

In November of 1978, the world was shocked by the suicide deaths of 913 members of the People's Temple cult. Jim Jones, the leader of the group, convinced his followers to move to Jonestown, Guyana, a remote community that Jones carved out of the South American jungle and named after himself. Jones constantly feared losing control of his followers. His paranoia was the main reason he moved the cult to Guyana.

The mass suicide occurred after U.S. Rep. Leo Ryan of California and a team of reporters visited the compound to investigate reports of abuse. After some members tried to leave with the congressman's group, Jim Jones had Ryan and his entourage ambushed at the nearby airstrip. He then ordered his flock to commit suicide by drinking grape-flavored Kool-Aid laced with potassium cyanide.

The mass suicide wasn't a spur-of-the-moment decision. During the weeks that preceded the dreadful event, Jones had conducted a series of suicide drills, according to survivors. An alarm call would sound and every person in the camp would line up to receive a fatal dosage. These exercises in insanity proved that all of the adults at the compound knew what would be the result of their actions.

The People's Temple did not start off as your average mind-controlling cult. It initially gained much respect as an interracial mission for the sick, homeless and jobless. Jim Jones did not manifest his darker side until near the end.

One lasting legacy of the Jonestown tragedy is the saying, "Don't drink the Kool-Aid." This has come to mean, "Don't trust any group you find to be a little on the kooky side." Of course, you would have to know of Kool-Aid's dubious connection to Jim Jones to understand the proverb.

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It took me a few minutes to figure out what "The Origon" was.

I haven't used the term Kool-Aid drinker on the forum but I have to disagree with your statement that when used it would be in bad taste.  You seem to think that using the term or phrase is demeaning to the people who died and doesn't pay tribute to them.  Those people don't deserve tribute. 

The ones who knew what was happening were idiots and the worst kind of child abusers to their children.  The ones who had no clue were idiots for not figuring out what was coming and getting the hell out saving themselves and their children.

I also don't think the author you quoted had  it quite right in his analysis of what the saying has come to mean.  It means don't follow someone or thing blindly.  It doesn't have anything to do with whether the person or group is a little on the "kooky" side.

All in all AC I respect your right to have your opinion just as I hope you respect the right for me to have a differing opinion.

Charles

 

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gutterdog wrote:

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Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

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Reliable Roof Cleaning Jacksonville FL wrote:

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AC Lockyer wrote:

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This was written by Todd Stranberg. There is other info online just google "Jonestown 1978"

I dont think using this refrence pays tribute to the more than 900 people who died from the origon of the pop culture phrase. I am as well to blame. I even was going to have PBG T-Shirts made with the Kool-Aid guy on the back. I made an avatar of me with the Kool-Aid guy as my body. It was up for 3 minutes when I realized that was really in bad taste. I am hoping that after reading the accounts of Jonestown that everyone here will understand to use this term is in bad taste.

Thanks,

AC

Don't Drink The Kool-Aid

In November of 1978, the world was shocked by the suicide deaths of 913 members of the People's Temple cult. Jim Jones, the leader of the group, convinced his followers to move to Jonestown, Guyana, a remote community that Jones carved out of the South American jungle and named after himself. Jones constantly feared losing control of his followers. His paranoia was the main reason he moved the cult to Guyana.

The mass suicide occurred after U.S. Rep. Leo Ryan of California and a team of reporters visited the compound to investigate reports of abuse. After some members tried to leave with the congressman's group, Jim Jones had Ryan and his entourage ambushed at the nearby airstrip. He then ordered his flock to commit suicide by drinking grape-flavored Kool-Aid laced with potassium cyanide.

The mass suicide wasn't a spur-of-the-moment decision. During the weeks that preceded the dreadful event, Jones had conducted a series of suicide drills, according to survivors. An alarm call would sound and every person in the camp would line up to receive a fatal dosage. These exercises in insanity proved that all of the adults at the compound knew what would be the result of their actions.

The People's Temple did not start off as your average mind-controlling cult. It initially gained much respect as an interracial mission for the sick, homeless and jobless. Jim Jones did not manifest his darker side until near the end.

One lasting legacy of the Jonestown tragedy is the saying, "Don't drink the Kool-Aid." This has come to mean, "Don't trust any group you find to be a little on the kooky side." Of course, you would have to know of Kool-Aid's dubious connection to Jim Jones to understand the proverb.

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It took me a few minutes to figure out what "The Origon" was.

I haven't used the term Kool-Aid drinker on the forum but I have to disagree with your statement that when used it would be in bad taste.  You seem to think that using the term or phrase is demeaning to the people who died and doesn't pay tribute to them.  Those people don't deserve tribute. 

The ones who knew what was happening were idiots and the worst kind of child abusers to their children.  The ones who had no clue were idiots for not figuring out what was coming and getting the hell out saving themselves and their children.

I also don't think the author you quoted had  it quite right in his analysis of what the saying has come to mean.  It means don't follow someone or thing blindly.  It doesn't have anything to do with whether the person or group is a little on the "kooky" side.

All in all AC I respect your right to have your opinion just as I hope you respect the right for me to have a differing opinion.

Charles

 

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Thinking over both viewpoints, I have to agree with Charles.
I think the term is more widely accepted as "Don't blindly follow" Know what's going on. But of course, if you feel as you say AC, then by all means follow your conscience!
It reminds me of back on April 2009, when we were voting on and discussing the RCIA emblem to be made and used. I and some others were against using the American Flag as part of an advertising symbol. It did end up being used and after speaking my mind, I said I'd never speak of it again. { I meant as a complaint } and I never did. But each person has things that they feel are acceptable and not acceptable.
To me, the flag should not be cut up and disfigured into an advertising symbol, by any business or non political org.
Others didn't feel that after making it into the shape of a roof, it was a flag anymore. I respect that thinking as well. While I wouldn't do it, I don't think anyone who wanted to, did so out of disrespect-just another way of looking at it.
It's the same with Kool-Aid Drinkers. To many,  it just means,  watch out who you let lead you.
Respectfully,
Chuck

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You may remember me pushing the flag for the logo. We had 2 choices. The logo we have now and a guy on a roof with a pressure washing wand. 


The logo we have now represents " withstanding the test of time" kinda? 

This was a no brainer.

My cards have the flag on the back and the words in God we trust. Plus my truck does too.

I appriciate your oppinion appriciate mine.

There are reasons, personal to me, for the way my truck and cards are.

 

 

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Believe me Gutterdog, I most certainly do appreciate your opinion! As well as respect anyone else's. I was just looking for a non political, non religious Roof Cleaning specific alternative. I have no problem with what was chosen, but we were asked what we thought and you know me!
Don't ask if you don't want to hear my "LENGHTY" answers!
If I have a point, large or small to make, I want to be sure no-one misses or misunderstands it. So, I, --- shall we say, --- ELABORATE!
Your bud Chuck!