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Mar 9, 2011

What and heck is going on here?

Mar 9, 2011

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Guy B wrote:

Presidential Pressure Washing wrote:

I am really disappointed with what has been going on today.

AC & Delux - How is it that your forcing the CERTS from the committee that has been busting thier asses to get this thing done for the members. I have been really trying to maintain a balance in the masses here, but it has just pushed me to the edge at this point.

If the CERTS are NOT READY why are we allowing any advertising them at this point?
Was the CERT Committe consulted at all?
From what I get is they had no idea this was what they are working for. Delux??

How is RCIA Certification going to measure up on April 4th?

You have just now put a TON of PRESSURE to the RCIA... GUYS WANT IT!
NO CERTS allowed here FIRST, C'mon...

ONE more thing WHY are the 50 Points not POSTED HERE, as well as the new site?
So ALL premium members can readily access them.

Chris Tucker I will always think of you and what you do for people, RCIA is not the same anymore...

Take Care,
Kim R

Because Kim the RCIA doesn't belong to the Membership, it belongs to whoever's name is on the Legal Paperwork. And that person or persons can do whatever they want to do with the RCIA. Until the RCIA is in the hands of the Membership, the Membership has no voice or control of the Org.

This is about a Dollar, pure and simple, and that's cool. Whats not cool is making that Dollar off the the Membership of the RCIA that has No Say in the situation.

Seems History Repeats It's Self Yet Again.

I must be living in the dark? I usually only care about and read actual roof cleaning posts and never keep track of administation goings on posts. So, who owns RCIA?
I thought it was Chris Tucker?

Well, here is THE deal guys, as I see it. I still own this forum, but it was decided that RCIA should be "an org". A corporation was formed, and AC put his name on it because someone had to be the owner. He has been trying to get it out of his name.

My prayers are with AC on this one! biggrin

I'm also glad you still own it Chris. I have heard rumors from a few, that some are trying to get you to lease RCIA to them for some piddly $300 a month or something? I assume you find that amusing, at best!
PLEASE JUST TAKE IT ALL BACK! You were doing just fine alone!
Chuck

Roof Cleaning Virginia 540-949-6277 · Roof Cleaning Institute of America Premium Member/MODERATOR

sweetwaterfish wrote:

Roof Cleaning Katy Texas (281) 392-2304 wrote:

I am tired of hearing all of the AC bashing comments. You have to realize that unlike us, AC is no longer in the physical roof cleaning business. Now he is a vendor in the business of training & helping take your business to the next level or more. He also sells specialized roof cleaning equipment that blow doors on anything else that you could buy. He is also trying to sell some revolutionary chemicals for cleaning roofs. All of this is going through Delux because they have been in the pressure washing industry for a very long time and Robert Hinderligter is one of the founders of PWNA. If RCIA is ever going to ever be as strong of an organization like the PWNA then Robert is a man that you want in your corner. Just like everyone else Robert is in the business of making money just like us and offering training certification in pressure washing, etc. courses. Let Robert make some money off of RCIA certifications for members and then he will have a vested interest in seeing the RCIA grow because RCIA has to become a household name for the certifications that Robert and AC is making money from to make a difference in whether you get a job or not. Robert has the experience on how to grow an organization and he might help to grow RCIA is he is given a reason like "Money".

I went on AC's Wilderness Tour for a week and was a changed man. Chemical savings alone paid for AC's course within half a year. He taught me many other things and structured out a business plan to grow my business to a half mil a year company. The course shaved years of growth of trial and error in learning from my business. AC has a lot of integrity and is a very religous man or one hell of a good actor as he would have fooled my wife & I and Scott Davis & Celeste if he was like as you say. Now AC can't be sharing what he knows because that is how he makes his living from his knowledge and believe me his courses will more than pay for themselves in the knowledge that you will learn.

AC is a man that you want on your side as he knows how to grow a business. It takes two things, know how and money to grow an organization the size that RCIA needs. It takes a lot of money to grow an organization.

Have AC & Robert on RCIA's side and they will grow it into a household name that benefits everyone..

Well stated Marcus! I agree with everything you said. The current "rub" is regarding the cert. class that AC is offering. I'm guessing the perception amongst many members was that was the only place to get the cert and it would cost a lot of money. In hindsight it was poor timing to announce that class before the RCIA announced an alternate pathway to certification.

ALTERNATIVE pathway? Shouldn't Delux be the ALTERNATIVE? The certification committee was blindsided with the announcement. We were and are working for our membership and will get no compensation, nor are we asking for any! We should have been able to present our finished product before that post. Does it have anything to do with money? Sure it does, because our certification through 2011 will be affordable. I find this more than blindsiding as the conflict of interest prevails with AC having the knowledge of knowing where the cert committee is and what they are doing. He has been working on the Delux thing the whole time people have been screaming, "where's the certification?" Funny that this post comes out just days after we discuss the affordable charges.

The old certification should have never been done away with, w/o something to take it's place. Now, six months later, after it sits w/o any action for five months, it is being completed. Not because the BOD jumped on it but because a few decided to get the committee moving. If that hadn't happened then maybe RCIA might be the ALTERNITAVE.

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+1

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I apologize, I posted out of turn. I was laughing so hard I lost my place. The +1 was for David Hoover's post. Chuck-you're a riot!!! THIS +1 is for Brett's post.

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

Roof Cleaning Blue Ridge VA 540-949-6277 wrote:

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Guy B wrote:

Presidential Pressure Washing wrote:

I am really disappointed with what has been going on today.

AC & Delux - How is it that your forcing the CERTS from the committee that has been busting thier asses to get this thing done for the members. I have been really trying to maintain a balance in the masses here, but it has just pushed me to the edge at this point.

If the CERTS are NOT READY why are we allowing any advertising them at this point?
Was the CERT Committe consulted at all?
From what I get is they had no idea this was what they are working for. Delux??

How is RCIA Certification going to measure up on April 4th?

You have just now put a TON of PRESSURE to the RCIA... GUYS WANT IT!
NO CERTS allowed here FIRST, C'mon...

ONE more thing WHY are the 50 Points not POSTED HERE, as well as the new site?
So ALL premium members can readily access them.

Chris Tucker I will always think of you and what you do for people, RCIA is not the same anymore...

Take Care,
Kim R

Because Kim the RCIA doesn't belong to the Membership, it belongs to whoever's name is on the Legal Paperwork. And that person or persons can do whatever they want to do with the RCIA. Until the RCIA is in the hands of the Membership, the Membership has no voice or control of the Org.

This is about a Dollar, pure and simple, and that's cool. Whats not cool is making that Dollar off the the Membership of the RCIA that has No Say in the situation.

Seems History Repeats It's Self Yet Again.

I must be living in the dark? I usually only care about and read actual roof cleaning posts and never keep track of administation goings on posts. So, who owns RCIA?
I thought it was Chris Tucker?

Well, here is THE deal guys, as I see it. I still own this forum, but it was decided that RCIA should be "an org". A corporation was formed, and AC put his name on it because someone had to be the owner. He has been trying to get it out of his name.

A bunch have been willing to help him achieve his goal. Maybe he needs to speak up and deal with RCIA and not Delux so much as we all now see where his allegiance resides!

If that is the case, then why don't all these people that want to help not communicate with him at all and why don't they get a 501c-3 form together and sign it. Seems pretty simple.
I worked very hard to go that direction for a long time and just recently barley found the people willing and I don't see a single person at all pushing to have that doc created or signed but me.
If someone want it that bad it would be on their desk as it is on mine.
Anyone else have a 501c3 form on their desk??
If not than you need 6 more people willing to read it and sign it. I don;t know a single other person that has even read an app./
So were are they of they really care so much??
How much more open invitation do they need??

Here are the keys.
Here is the form.

Sign it??
Still waiting??

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Bill I'm confused. confuse

We all know I ain't bright, but I just don't get it. RCIA wants to make money by leasing it's certification to Deluxe, but also wants to become a 501c3 non-profit like a church or charity? I do understand profit, after all it's one of my favorite things. I'm not up to date on non-profits, but I don't think they exist to make a profit. It seems like male vs. female. You can be one or the other but not both. Who decided that 501c3 was the way to go? If it is RCIA probably shouldn't be looking for a profit unless they want to get cozy with the IRS. If they do want profit perhaps an S Corp or an LLC would be the way to go. IDK, I'm not a rocket scientist, just a roof cleaner.

roof cleaning

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC · Mar 9, 2011

If that is the case, then why don't all these people that want to help not communicate with him at all and why don't they get a 501c-3 form together and sign it. Seems pretty simple.
I worked very hard to go that direction for a long time and just recently barley found the people willing and I don't see a single person at all pushing to have that doc created or signed but me.
If someone want it that bad it would be on their desk as it is on mine.
Anyone else have a 501c3 form on their desk??
If not than you need 6 more people willing to read it and sign it. I don;t know a single other person that has even read an app./
So were are they of they really care so much??
How much more open invitation do they need??

Here are the keys.
Here is the form.

Sign it??
Still waiting??

Probably because 99% of us have no clue what the heck you are talking about.
But hey, I'll sign anything once. Send it to me.

Roof Cleaning Cleveland (216) 323-0552 · Mar 9, 2011

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:

Roof Cleaning Blue Ridge VA 540-949-6277 wrote:

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Guy B wrote:

Presidential Pressure Washing wrote:

I am really disappointed with what has been going on today.

AC & Delux - How is it that your forcing the CERTS from the committee that has been busting thier asses to get this thing done for the members. I have been really trying to maintain a balance in the masses here, but it has just pushed me to the edge at this point.

If the CERTS are NOT READY why are we allowing any advertising them at this point?
Was the CERT Committe consulted at all?
From what I get is they had no idea this was what they are working for. Delux??

How is RCIA Certification going to measure up on April 4th?

You have just now put a TON of PRESSURE to the RCIA... GUYS WANT IT!
NO CERTS allowed here FIRST, C'mon...

ONE more thing WHY are the 50 Points not POSTED HERE, as well as the new site?
So ALL premium members can readily access them.

Chris Tucker I will always think of you and what you do for people, RCIA is not the same anymore...

Take Care,
Kim R

Because Kim the RCIA doesn't belong to the Membership, it belongs to whoever's name is on the Legal Paperwork. And that person or persons can do whatever they want to do with the RCIA. Until the RCIA is in the hands of the Membership, the Membership has no voice or control of the Org.

This is about a Dollar, pure and simple, and that's cool. Whats not cool is making that Dollar off the the Membership of the RCIA that has No Say in the situation.

Seems History Repeats It's Self Yet Again.

I must be living in the dark? I usually only care about and read actual roof cleaning posts and never keep track of administation goings on posts. So, who owns RCIA?
I thought it was Chris Tucker?

Well, here is THE deal guys, as I see it. I still own this forum, but it was decided that RCIA should be "an org". A corporation was formed, and AC put his name on it because someone had to be the owner. He has been trying to get it out of his name.

A bunch have been willing to help him achieve his goal. Maybe he needs to speak up and deal with RCIA and not Delux so much as we all now see where his allegiance resides!

If that is the case, then why don't all these people that want to help not communicate with him at all and why don't they get a 501c-3 form together and sign it. Seems pretty simple.
I worked very hard to go that direction for a long time and just recently barley found the people willing and I don't see a single person at all pushing to have that doc created or signed but me.
If someone want it that bad it would be on their desk as it is on mine.
Anyone else have a 501c3 form on their desk??
If not than you need 6 more people willing to read it and sign it. I don;t know a single other person that has even read an app./
So were are they of they really care so much??
How much more open invitation do they need??

Here are the keys.
Here is the form.

Sign it??
Still waiting??

Bill, when you asked for help, how many people responded? I for one did. Never recieved a call back. People are willing to pull together for the org.

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Guy B wrote:

Presidential Pressure Washing wrote:

I am really disappointed with what has been going on today.

AC & Delux - How is it that your forcing the CERTS from the committee that has been busting thier asses to get this thing done for the members. I have been really trying to maintain a balance in the masses here, but it has just pushed me to the edge at this point.

If the CERTS are NOT READY why are we allowing any advertising them at this point?
Was the CERT Committe consulted at all?
From what I get is they had no idea this was what they are working for. Delux??

How is RCIA Certification going to measure up on April 4th?

You have just now put a TON of PRESSURE to the RCIA... GUYS WANT IT!
NO CERTS allowed here FIRST, C'mon...

ONE more thing WHY are the 50 Points not POSTED HERE, as well as the new site?
So ALL premium members can readily access them.

Chris Tucker I will always think of you and what you do for people, RCIA is not the same anymore...

Take Care,
Kim R

Because Kim the RCIA doesn't belong to the Membership, it belongs to whoever's name is on the Legal Paperwork. And that person or persons can do whatever they want to do with the RCIA. Until the RCIA is in the hands of the Membership, the Membership has no voice or control of the Org.

This is about a Dollar, pure and simple, and that's cool. Whats not cool is making that Dollar off the the Membership of the RCIA that has No Say in the situation.

Seems History Repeats It's Self Yet Again.

I must be living in the dark? I usually only care about and read actual roof cleaning posts and never keep track of administation goings on posts. So, who owns RCIA?
I thought it was Chris Tucker?

Well, here is THE deal guys, as I see it. I still own this forum, but it was decided that RCIA should be "an org". A corporation was formed, and AC put his name on it because someone had to be the owner. He has been trying to get it out of his name.

My prayers are with AC on this one!
I'm also glad you still own it Chris. I have heard rumors from a few, that some are trying to get you to lease RCIA to them for some piddly $300 a month or something? I assume you find that amusing, at best!
PLEASE JUST TAKE IT ALL BACK! You were doing just fine alone!
Chuck

The association was going to lease it from him so he could get income for creating it.. Fair enough.

Also he should certify all these guys with no insurance and assume all liability for what goes with that.

Your right he did a great job!!! Because you all got in for free, and he gets run out of town by the lowballers you all trained around him posting your info. And if you die with a certification your family can sue him and be set.

You guys that love Chris love him in a strange way, because he gave it for free, It hurt his business and he assumes all liability that way for your cert. Now he shouldn't get any money from the org for the use of his forum??

The conspiracy theorys, rumor mongering and lies are why I am resigning.

Art made a comment about how he dosn't see what I do here??

I stopped AC, CHris and GAry from quiting more than once. Along with over half your BOD. I am the only one that even utters the words non-profit org. I got us to two events and got Lori back in one. Etc Etc spent 6k whatever.

I am the glue that brought these guys together and kept them form quiting over and over again

Jerry dissapeared
Gary already left us once,
Bruce gone
Chris practiccly gone,
Scott, gone
Brett tried to leave 2 or more times already
Ted almost left as well
AC was going to leave the first time you all complained about him and Chris and me talked him the other way, Chris voted to keep him!!

Now all I get is phone calls telling me the members are going to leave If AC doesn't leave and another board member might leave, but hey we all want to help, till you have to talk us out of quiting??

My job here is to make sure you keep anyboday at all working on this and now I am leaving so......

Also Parliment paper will probably sue the org for $4500 and if Chris would get any money the yellow book would take it from their judgement posted in the shade.

You guys have no leader of the org. and you have like 5 people left that are even willing to try.

Matthew was one of those peopel until today I would assume

Mar 9, 2011

Roof Stain Removers wrote:

I apologize, I posted out of turn. I was laughing so hard I lost my place. The +1 was for David Hoover's post. Chuck-you're a riot!!! THIS +1 is for Brett's post.

Well, thankyouverymuuuch! smile

When attacked face to face, I wack 'em! furious

When attacked on the internet, with the attacker safely behind [ or perhaps in Matthews case- under? ] their keyboard. I laugh at 'em! biggrin

Laughin's better than wackin' confuse

Chuck

Mar 9, 2011

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:

Guy B wrote:

Presidential Pressure Washing wrote:

I am really disappointed with what has been going on today.

AC & Delux - How is it that your forcing the CERTS from the committee that has been busting thier asses to get this thing done for the members. I have been really trying to maintain a balance in the masses here, but it has just pushed me to the edge at this point.

If the CERTS are NOT READY why are we allowing any advertising them at this point?
Was the CERT Committe consulted at all?
From what I get is they had no idea this was what they are working for. Delux??

How is RCIA Certification going to measure up on April 4th?

You have just now put a TON of PRESSURE to the RCIA... GUYS WANT IT!
NO CERTS allowed here FIRST, C'mon...

ONE more thing WHY are the 50 Points not POSTED HERE, as well as the new site?
So ALL premium members can readily access them.

Chris Tucker I will always think of you and what you do for people, RCIA is not the same anymore...

Take Care,
Kim R

Because Kim the RCIA doesn't belong to the Membership, it belongs to whoever's name is on the Legal Paperwork. And that person or persons can do whatever they want to do with the RCIA. Until the RCIA is in the hands of the Membership, the Membership has no voice or control of the Org.

This is about a Dollar, pure and simple, and that's cool. Whats not cool is making that Dollar off the the Membership of the RCIA that has No Say in the situation.

Seems History Repeats It's Self Yet Again.

I must be living in the dark? I usually only care about and read actual roof cleaning posts and never keep track of administation goings on posts. So, who owns RCIA?
I thought it was Chris Tucker?

Well, here is THE deal guys, as I see it. I still own this forum, but it was decided that RCIA should be "an org". A corporation was formed, and AC put his name on it because someone had to be the owner. He has been trying to get it out of his name.

My prayers are with AC on this one!
I'm also glad you still own it Chris. I have heard rumors from a few, that some are trying to get you to lease RCIA to them for some piddly $300 a month or something? I assume you find that amusing, at best!
PLEASE JUST TAKE IT ALL BACK! You were doing just fine alone!
Chuck

The association was going to lease it from him so he could get income for creating it.. Fair enough. Maybe? But if he didn't accept, and it appears he didn't, so maybe it wasn't "fair enough"?? Like you said, Chris is a guy who was willing to help for free. So, if he didn't accept the offer, it was not a fair offer-in my opinion.

Also he should certify all these guys with no insurance and assume all liability for what goes with that. How do you know they have no insurance? Liability wise, I have no clue?

Your right he did a great job!!! Because you all got in for free, and he gets run out of town by the lowballers you all trained around him posting your info. And if you die with a certification your family can sue him and be set. No, he did a great job period-not because we got in for free. It's real nice of you to put suing hin in peoples minds like this?

You guys that love Chris love him in a strange way, because he gave it for free, It hurt his business and he assumes all liability that way for your cert. Now he shouldn't get any money from the org for the use of his forum?? You sure don't like "free" do you? It's all about money.
He should get all the money.

The conspiracy theorys, rumor mongering and lies are why I am resigning. Those involved in conspiracies always say it's all lies. Not that I'm suggesting you are involved, or anyone else in particular. Yet, some odd advertising, by RCIA's owner [on paper] sure came up timely! Almost like being on the board helped him beat out RCIA itself with offering certs. maybe not a conspiracy, but odd in many minds I think?

Art made a comment about how he dosn't see what I do here??

I stopped AC, CHris and GAry from quiting more than once. Along with over half your BOD. I am the only one that even utters the words non-profit org. I got us to two events and got Lori back in one. Etc Etc spent 6k whatever. I'm not sure stopping AC from leaving helped us out? Just NOT SURE?

I am the glue that brought these guys together and kept them form quiting over and over again OK.

Jerry dissapeared
Gary already left us once,
Bruce gone
Chris practiccly gone,
Scott, gone
Brett tried to leave 2 or more times already
Ted almost left as well
AC was going to leave the first time you all complained about him and Chris and me talked him the other way, Chris voted to keep him!! I assume he has his reasons? If all is glued together so well, why does everyone want out?

Now all I get is phone calls telling me the members are going to leave If AC doesn't leave and another board member might leave, but hey we all want to help, till you have to talk us out of quiting?? Then you certainly know how the majority feel about things.

My job here is to make sure you keep anyboday at all working on this and now I am leaving so...... Unless RCIA is whole lot different than the rest of the world, we are all replaced when we leave. Don't get me wrong. You may well be all that you say you are and of great value to RCIA. I honestly don't know about that. I know an unhappy place when I visit it though and there's not a whole lot of happiness here lately.

Also Parliment paper will probably sue the org for $4500 and if Chris would get any money the yellow book would take it from their judgement posted in the shade. That sounds like letting out his personal business? That should be up to him to let out in if he chooses, not you?

You guys have no leader of the org. and you have like 5 people left that are even willing to try. I thought you said AC was the leader you kept from leaving?

Matthew was one of those peopel until today I would assume
A group of Matthew like people will never improve anything.
Every post I make, he jumps in and says we are all basically hacks, if we don't do business just like him.
After 20+ years at this, I don't take kindly to his crap.
Bill, I have absolutely NOTHING against you.
I am just replying to posts on the forum, with my opinion of what I read.
Respectfully meant post,
Chuck

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Hi Chuck, I know you don't have anything against me so let me know critique as you have.

The association was going to lease it from him so he could get income for creating it.. Fair enough. Maybe? But if he didn't accept, and it appears he didn't, so maybe it wasn't "fair enough"?? Like you said, Chris is a guy who was willing to help for free. So, if he didn't accept the offer, it was not a fair offer-in my opinion. He has told me over and over that he would take money if offerd but has not come to a meeting to comment on it.

Also he should certify all these guys with no insurance and assume all liability for what goes with that. How do you know they have no insurance? Liability wise, I have no clue? I didn't mean the guys he is certifying I mean him. I have been working on the association insurance and if you are wrighting a cert you need some insurance.

Your right he did a great job!!! Because you all got in for free, and he gets run out of town by the lowballers you all trained around him posting your info. And if you die with a certification your family can sue him and be set. No, he did a great job period-not because we got in for free. It's real nice of you to put suing hin in peoples minds like this? I am not trying to put things in peoples minds. People sue trade organizations every day. And we have already been threatened with a lwsuit over our cert and attempted to be extorted by a florida company.

You guys that love Chris love him in a strange way, because he gave it for free, It hurt his business and he assumes all liability that way for your cert. Now he shouldn't get any money from the org for the use of his forum?? You sure don't like "free" do you? It's all about money.
He should get all the money.
I think he should get money as well and always aggreed he should be the first to get paid. I don't mind free, but free doesn't pay for the forum which now runs over $100 a month from traffic and it doesn't pay for lobbying when the government or epa tries to crack down.

The conspiracy theorys, rumor mongering and lies are why I am resigning. Those involved in conspiracies always say it's all lies. Not that I'm suggesting you are involved, or anyone else in particular. Yet, some odd advertising, by RCIA's owner [on paper] sure came up timely! Almost like being on the board helped him beat out RCIA itself with offering certs. maybe not a conspiracy, but odd in many minds I think?
We had no people able to make the cert as they were to busy picking up from were people quit or dealing with public anger.

Art made a comment about how he dosn't see what I do here??

I stopped AC, CHris and GAry from quiting more than once. Along with over half your BOD. I am the only one that even utters the words non-profit org. I got us to two events and got Lori back in one. Etc Etc spent 6k whatever. I'm not sure stopping AC from leaving helped us out? Just NOT SURE?

I am the glue that brought these guys together and kept them form quiting over and over again OK.

Jerry dissapeared
Gary already left us once,
Bruce gone
Chris practiccly gone,
Scott, gone
Brett tried to leave 2 or more times already
Ted almost left as well
AC was going to leave the first time you all complained about him and Chris and me talked him the other way, Chris voted to keep him!! I assume he has his reasons? If all is glued together so well, why does everyone want out?
It is not glued together well and I am the one that stops them from quiting. so I don't see why they will stay if no one tries to stop them from leaving when it is hard?

Now all I get is phone calls telling me the members are going to leave If AC doesn't leave and another board member might leave, but hey we all want to help, till you have to talk us out of quiting?? Then you certainly know how the majority feel about things.
No those phone calls come from the same group of people and the majority has not been set to a vote. There is no way to guess majority without a vote and to do so would be very unfair to those unheard. Not all members of the org post on the forum either.

My job here is to make sure you keep anyboday at all working on this and now I am leaving so...... Unless RCIA is whole lot different than the rest of the world, we are all replaced when we leave. Don't get me wrong. You may well be all that you say you are and of great value to RCIA. I honestly don't know about that. I know an unhappy place when I visit it though and there's not a whole lot of happiness here lately.
I agree it is an unhappy place and a place were there were little to no rules. Dave was your main moderator than I was now I don,t know who that is, maybe Gary?

Also Parliment paper will probably sue the org for $4500 and if Chris would get any money the yellow book would take it from their judgement posted in the shade. That sounds like letting out his personal business? That should be up to him to let out in if he chooses, not you?
He did post it in the Shade for all members ot see, It is open to all who use the forum just password protected to keep SEO from finding it so you can talk about football and stuff. The password for in the shade is rcia. If you read my sentance than perhaps you wouldn't falsly accuse me of putting his stuff out. He did it, I am just repeating it here in a much more private area. This is a good example of the how the rumors begin. Now I am talking about Chris, go tell it on the mountain that Bill is talking about Chris personal stuff!! That's what those comments turn into.

You guys have no leader of the org. and you have like 5 people left that are even willing to try. I thought you said AC was the leader you kept from leaving?

Matthew was one of those peopel until today I would assumeno
A group of Matthew like people will never improve anything.
Every post I make, he jumps in and says we are all basically hacks, if we don't do business just like him.
After 20+ years at this, I don't take kindly to his crap.
Bill, I have absolutely NOTHING against you.
I am just replying to posts on the forum, with my opinion of what I read.
Respectfully meant post,
Chuck

Actually Matthew has managed large non-profit orgs and the only one on the BOD who has. Just becuase you two have a personal beef doesn't mean it has to be about the whole board. This is also something I see happening here often. Someone gets mad at someone so now that person affects the whole org. It is nonsense to me. You don't know him and he doesn't know you. I thought god told us not to judge people. And seriously to judge each other based on some forum posts, is again unfair.

Again I have nothing against anyone here either. This has been a long frustrating road and the forum has made it very hard. I am happy to have met and networked with many of you and will continue to do so. I hope this industry can get stronger and I intend to help make that happen. I think RCIA is not the way that it will happen.

Mar 9, 2011

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:

Hi Chuck, I know you don't have anything against me so let me know critique as you have.

The association was going to lease it from him so he could get income for creating it.. Fair enough. Maybe? But if he didn't accept, and it appears he didn't, so maybe it wasn't "fair enough"?? Like you said, Chris is a guy who was willing to help for free. So, if he didn't accept the offer, it was not a fair offer-in my opinion. He has told me over and over that he would take money if offerd but has not come to a meeting to comment on it.

Also he should certify all these guys with no insurance and assume all liability for what goes with that. How do you know they have no insurance? Liability wise, I have no clue? I didn't mean the guys he is certifying I mean him. I have been working on the association insurance and if you are wrighting a cert you need some insurance.

Your right he did a great job!!! Because you all got in for free, and he gets run out of town by the lowballers you all trained around him posting your info. And if you die with a certification your family can sue him and be set. No, he did a great job period-not because we got in for free. It's real nice of you to put suing hin in peoples minds like this? I am not trying to put things in peoples minds. People sue trade organizations every day. And we have already been threatened with a lwsuit over our cert and attempted to be extorted by a florida company.

You guys that love Chris love him in a strange way, because he gave it for free, It hurt his business and he assumes all liability that way for your cert. Now he shouldn't get any money from the org for the use of his forum?? You sure don't like "free" do you? It's all about money.
He should get all the money.
I think he should get money as well and always aggreed he should be the first to get paid. I don't mind free, but free doesn't pay for the forum which now runs over $100 a month from traffic and it doesn't pay for lobbying when the government or epa tries to crack down.

The conspiracy theorys, rumor mongering and lies are why I am resigning. Those involved in conspiracies always say it's all lies. Not that I'm suggesting you are involved, or anyone else in particular. Yet, some odd advertising, by RCIA's owner [on paper] sure came up timely! Almost like being on the board helped him beat out RCIA itself with offering certs. maybe not a conspiracy, but odd in many minds I think?
We had no people able to make the cert as they were to busy picking up from were people quit or dealing with public anger.

Art made a comment about how he dosn't see what I do here??

I stopped AC, CHris and GAry from quiting more than once. Along with over half your BOD. I am the only one that even utters the words non-profit org. I got us to two events and got Lori back in one. Etc Etc spent 6k whatever. I'm not sure stopping AC from leaving helped us out? Just NOT SURE?

I am the glue that brought these guys together and kept them form quiting over and over again OK.

Jerry dissapeared
Gary already left us once,
Bruce gone
Chris practiccly gone,
Scott, gone
Brett tried to leave 2 or more times already
Ted almost left as well
AC was going to leave the first time you all complained about him and Chris and me talked him the other way, Chris voted to keep him!! I assume he has his reasons? If all is glued together so well, why does everyone want out?
It is not glued together well and I am the one that stops them from quiting. so I don't see why they will stay if no one tries to stop them from leaving when it is hard?

Now all I get is phone calls telling me the members are going to leave If AC doesn't leave and another board member might leave, but hey we all want to help, till you have to talk us out of quiting?? Then you certainly know how the majority feel about things.
No those phone calls come from the same group of people and the majority has not been set to a vote. There is no way to guess majority without a vote and to do so would be very unfair to those unheard. Not all members of the org post on the forum either.

My job here is to make sure you keep anyboday at all working on this and now I am leaving so...... Unless RCIA is whole lot different than the rest of the world, we are all replaced when we leave. Don't get me wrong. You may well be all that you say you are and of great value to RCIA. I honestly don't know about that. I know an unhappy place when I visit it though and there's not a whole lot of happiness here lately.
I agree it is an unhappy place and a place were there were little to no rules. Dave was your main moderator than I was now I don,t know who that is, maybe Gary?

Also Parliment paper will probably sue the org for $4500 and if Chris would get any money the yellow book would take it from their judgement posted in the shade. That sounds like letting out his personal business? That should be up to him to let out in if he chooses, not you?
He did post it in the Shade for all members ot see, It is open to all who use the forum just password protected to keep SEO from finding it so you can talk about football and stuff. The password for in the shade is rcia. If you read my sentance than perhaps you wouldn't falsly accuse me of putting his stuff out. He did it, I am just repeating it here in a much more private area. This is a good example of the how the rumors begin. Now I am talking about Chris, go tell it on the mountain that Bill is talking about Chris personal stuff!! That's what those comments turn into.

You guys have no leader of the org. and you have like 5 people left that are even willing to try. I thought you said AC was the leader you kept from leaving?

Matthew was one of those peopel until today I would assumeno
A group of Matthew like people will never improve anything.
Every post I make, he jumps in and says we are all basically hacks, if we don't do business just like him.
After 20+ years at this, I don't take kindly to his crap.
Bill, I have absolutely NOTHING against you.
I am just replying to posts on the forum, with my opinion of what I read.
Respectfully meant post,
Chuck

Actually Matthew has managed large non-profit orgs and the only one on the BOD who has. Just becuase you two have a personal beef doesn't mean it has to be about the whole board. This is also something I see happening here often. Someone gets mad at someone so now that person affects the whole org. It is nonsense to me. You don't know him and he doesn't know you. I thought god told us not to judge people. And seriously to judge each other based on some forum posts, is again unfair.

Again I have nothing against anyone here either. This has been a long frustrating road and the forum has made it very hard. I am happy to have met and networked with many of you and will continue to do so. I hope this industry can get stronger and I intend to help make that happen. I think RCIA is not the way that it will happen.

All reasonable sounding answers! That's all anyone can ask for. I also stand corrected and apologize if Chris had already posted that personal info in the "Shade" forum. I have never visited it. I'm glad that you didn't take my posting as an insult. I really didn't mean it to be. You responded intelligently and I have no feeling I need to question your replies. It would be nice if RCIA was a happier place to be. If a certain amount of $ is needed to run the show, then I would like to see an "ACCOUNTS" sticky, that is updated monthly, showing all costs involved to run RCIA. Also, if you and others [ ya, even Matthew ] are working, there is no reason it should be for free! Put it all in there for us to see and appreciate! Of course, some reasonable fee should be voted in, not by a board, but by a Premier Forum Voiting Post! We already have govt officials who vote in their own raises etc, we don't need that! But, a worker deserves his due. Anyone working for free and listening to the likes of me, complaining, has reason to wack me as needed! furious

Of course, the point is DON'T WORK FOR FREE! Because the complaints will be there, no matter what!
I always say "If you have a complaint, you need to the person in charge of complaints, so please go to Helen Wait. Get it" biggrin

Then we the members will know what is needed and can contribute. I for one, don't contribute to anything, without seeing the books [ so to speak ] I'm not wealthy [don't care to be either ] and I'm not into making anyone, or anything else wealthy by my contibutions. I think if those of us who have been here a while, knew what was needed, we'd more than cover that! I know I would. I want RCIA to succeed, not because it makes me money,because frankly, it doesn't. But I think the education offered here is invaluable! I have always questioned { Maybe wondered? } if freely allowing lurkers to learn everything we know for free is a good idea? Yup, I learned for free, {and i'm strongly opposed to any costly certifications} but, there are just too darn many people going into this business! It's not really hurting me much, because I have over 20 years of customer base to fall back on. In fact, this was the 1st year I didn't do any yellow pages advertising [ 2 of the 4 yellow pages companies put my ads in anyway and I disputed their charges and won.} But, it's just not a good thing, to have a #$%&load of unprofessional roof cleaners running around charging a hundred bucks a roof!
Even customers I have had since 1989 will ask me why their neighbor could get their roof cleaned for $100.00 and I have to explain the difference between myself and my son doing their work, with licenses, a million $ in insurance and the right equipment, knowledge and chemicals to do the job right and make it last! I tell them, "I cleaned your roof last 4 [maybe 5?] years ago. Lets see how long this cheap guy's lasts. Etc Etc Etc You see my point.
I'm gonna go drink some vodka and see how I feel biggrin

Chuck

PS: I would be interested in hearing more about why you feel this should be a 501c-3 ? Not that I have a gripe, Inquiring minds want to know. Pros and Cons if you don't mind? Don't quit just yet! I'll tell you when it's best! biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Wednesday 9th of March 2011 07:04:19 PM

AC Lockyer · none

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:
I thought god told us not to judge people. And seriously to judge each other based on some forum posts, is again unfair.

Actually Bill biggrin

"G"OD in the word said that you will be judged by the measure you use to judge. We are never told not to judge. We all have to make judgments and judge people everyday. God gave us our sense of judgement to keep us from harm.

It is like people say "the Bible says forgive and forget" actually it doesnt. We are commanded to forgive but never told to forget. We are commanded to not have haterid in our hearts for our brother but never to forget. Experience and history with someone keeps you from repeating history with that person.

In Corinthians it says, "Love keeps no records of wrongs" there is no score card! If you keep one on people then "you will be judged by the measure you use to judge" That score card will be kept on you as well.

There are alot of personalities on this board and as I have watched the board and org spiral down quickly I have tried to understand the personalities on here. The RCIA is a microcosms of society. There are princes here and there are princes in the world. There are people trying to rebuild their lives here and there are people trying to rebuild in the world. There are aholes here and there are aholes in the world. There are liars here and there are liars in the world. There are defenders here and there are defenders in the world. Our little society here at the RCIA is no different than anywhere else.

Success is a mirror. Sometimes when people gaze at success they see themselves and where they are at personally. Sometimes that scares some and inspires others. Many people are as comfortable with failure as they are afraid of success. I think we are dealing with fear in either case.

We are trying to go where no other org in the powerwashing / mobile cleaning industry has ever been able to go before. This causes polarization of the masses. Some dont want change and will fight tooth and nail to keep things the same. Some embrace change and cant move there quickly enough. The actuality is that there are a bunch of people in the middle that could go either way.

What we are seeing here is two minorities shouting as loud as they can trying to move the masses. Most in the middle are trying to figure out what all the blood is one the walls.

I spoke to one of my clients today. I had predominantly placed the RCIA logo and 50 Point Standard in amongst several of his advertising pieces. He called me today and asked me to remove them. He said he would never want his customers to ever come to the RCIA and see what this has turned into.

You see both sides think they are right! One side has been squarely on the offensive, attacking every idea, attacking other members, attacking the BOD. It has been said that when times get tough and the heat is on what oozes out of you is what you are made of. I am not saying that to any one group or person!!! I am saying that to everyone! Each and every one of us need to look at what is oozing out of us right now. Is it peace? Is it love? Is it industry building? Will it put food on our tables and create security for our families? When you are tested and the weight of the world is on you what oozes out?

Attacking someone for their spelling....come on man! Chuck I love ya but that is petty. How does that build up the association. I have a 158 IQ and cant spell worth a ding. We are all God's creation. That is the realization I am coming to in all of this. We need to put on the LOVE glasses and see us all for what we really are. WE ARE FRAGILE, CARNAL, PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. WE ARE ALL STUCK IN THE WORST ECONOMY SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. WE ALL NEED EACHOTHER MORE THAN EVER TO HEP ONEANOTHER GROW OUR BUSINESSES.

Even me guys! I have a wife, her name is Karen, she cooks awesome and that is why I am fat. I have a 17 year old daughter Lauren that is going to ACU in the fall. She is me with boobs! She looks like me, is musical like I use to be, draws and does design like me. I love her very much. I have a 15 year old son AJ, he isnt like me much at all. He is very much like my wife's side of the family. He has red hair and weighs 100 lbs less than me. But he is loving, soft hearted, passionate, sings awesome like his mom. LOVES FISHING! They are counting on you to be rational, temperate, patient, caring, clear eyed, gracious.......

Guys so you know to date I have made $1,443.84 directly from this association. It was from the webinars I taught. Id give it back in a second if everyone would take a pledge to stop fighting over all of this.

The title of this thread is "What the heck is going on here?" Id like to answer that by saying I hope it will be unity, purpose and industry building. I know some of yall think you know what my plans are here........................I am excited for you all to see REALLY what my dreams are for the RCIA!

Peace be with you all tonight,

AC

-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 9th of March 2011 07:29:34 PM

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC · Mar 9, 2011

AC, I forgive and forget real quick. Of course that could be from all the good drugs and partying I used to do...lol.
A lot of this started with Delux posting the school for RCIA Certificate. That was done all wrong and started a fire storm. Haven't heard an apology from Delux or you for posting the add without an explanation.

Mar 9, 2011

AC Lockyer wrote:

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:
I thought god told us not to judge people. And seriously to judge each other based on some forum posts, is again unfair.
Actually Bill

"G"OD in the word said that you will be judged by the measure you use to judge. We are never told not to judge. We all have to make judgments and judge people everyday. God gave us our sense of judgement to keep us from harm.

It is like people say "the Bible says forgive and forget" actually it doesnt. We are commanded to forgive but never told to forget. We are commanded to not have haterid in our hearts for our brother but never to forget. Experience and history with someone keeps you from repeating history with that person.

In Corinthians it says, "Love keeps no records of wrongs" there is no score card! If you keep one on people then "you will be judged by the measure you use to judge" That score card will be kept on you as well.

There are alot of personalities on this board and as I have watched the board and org spiral down quickly I have tried to understand the personalities on here. The RCIA is a microcosms of society. There are princes here and there are princes in the world. There are people trying to rebuild their lives here and there are people trying to rebuild in the world. There are aholes here and there are aholes in the world. There are liars here and there are liars in the world. There are defenders here and there are defenders in the world. Our little society here at the RCIA is no different than anywhere else.

Success is a mirror. Sometimes when people gaze at success they see themselves and where they are at personally. Sometimes that scares some and inspires others. Many people are as comfortable with failure as they are afraid of success. I think we are dealing with fear in either case.

We are trying to go where no other org in the powerwashing / mobile cleaning industry has ever been able to go before. This causes polarization of the masses. Some dont want change and will fight tooth and nail to keep things the same. Some embrace change and cant move there quickly enough. The actuality is that there are a bunch of people in the middle that could go either way.

What we are seeing here is two minorities shouting as loud as they can trying to move the masses. Most in the middle are trying to figure out what all the blood is one the walls.

I spoke to one of my clients today. I had predominantly placed the RCIA logo and 50 Point Standard in amongst several of his advertising pieces. He called me today and asked me to remove them. He said he would never want his customers to ever come to the RCIA and see what this has turned into.

You see both sides think they are right! One side has been squarely on the offensive, attacking every idea, attacking other members, attacking the BOD. It has been said that when times get tough and the heat is on what oozes out of you is what you are made of. I am not saying that to any one group or person!!! I am saying that to everyone! Each and every one of us need to look at what is oozing out of us right now. Is it peace? Is it love? Is it industry building? Will it put food on our tables and create security for our families? When you are tested and the weight of the world is on you what oozes out?

Attacking someone for their spelling....come on man! Chuck I love ya but that is petty. How does that build up the association. I have a 158 IQ and cant spell worth a ding. We are all God's creation. That is the realization I am coming to in all of this. We need to put on the LOVE glasses and see us all for what we really are. WE ARE FRAGILE, CARNAL, PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. WE ARE ALL STUCK IN THE WORST ECONOMY SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. WE ALL NEED EACHOTHER MORE THAN EVER TO HEP ONEANOTHER GROW OUR BUSINESSES.

Even me guys! I have a wife, her name is Karen, she cooks awesome and that is why I am fat. I have a 17 year old daughter Lauren that is going to ACU in the fall. She is me with boobs! She looks like me, is musical like I use to be, draws and does design like me. I love her very much. I have a 15 year old son AJ, he isnt like me much at all. He is very much like my wife's side of the family. He has red hair and weighs 100 lbs less than me. But he is loving, soft hearted, passionate, sings awesome like his mom. LOVES FISHING! They are counting on you to be rational, temperate, patient, caring, clear eyed, gracious.......

Guys so you know to date I have made $1,443.84 directly from this association. It was from the webinars I taught. Id give it back in a second if everyone would take a pledge to stop fighting over all of this.

The title of this thread is "What the heck is going on here?" Id like to answer that by saying I hope it will be unity, purpose and industry building. I know some of yall think you know what my plans are here........................I am excited for you all to see REALLY what my dreams are for the RCIA!

Peace be with you all tonight,

AC

-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Wednesday 9th of March 2011 07:29:34 PM

For starters 138394,

2nd, as to your scriptural references, is there not a scripture that says "Judge ye not lest ye be judged" ?? It certainly does add that you will be judged by the measure by which you are judging.
Still, judging is not meant for humans to do. Yes, we have to judge situations and people in the sense of how they are dealing with us personally { Like Matthew following me around on the forum and posting his dogmatic replies biggrin

} which I in turn reply to, treating his posts as a joke { what you said was petty } I have no problem with that! I was not trying to be anything but petty. Giving him back what he starts with me! I JUDGE HIM AN IDIOT! Not really. biggrin

I have read enough about you to know you have a high IQ and seen enough of your posts to see you don't use that IQ in your grammar and spelling { There is such a thing as spell check you know? biggrin

}
Anyway, from the posts I have read by you, stating the amount of $ you have made, YOU have painted me a picture of a man, that "could be" all about MONEY?
You, in all honesty, look like a guy shooting to be rich! Heck, roof cleaning in the millions of dollars? What would I think"???
Then up pops this $2000.00 + program you offer, that CLEARLY mentions CERTIFICATION.
You are making "doubting Thomas's" of some of us.
I do believe in giving every man a chance to show his true colors. { Except Matthew biggrin

} Not really. biggrin

But can't you see how he urks me?

In our last episode, I said that we should end this and disputing, but he can't leave me alone! furious

Anyway, enough about matthew, show us you don't just want our money! Offer a simple free certification program, if you don't want our money. That's what Chris Tucker did! If RCIA needs more $ to carry on, let us know how much and I'm sure those of us who appreciate RCIA will contribute what is needed. Just don't make it your cash cow.
So, all said, I may have "Judged" you wrongly? Or not? biggrin

I haven't fully "judged" you at all-yet. confuse

There sure ain't nothin' perfect about me!!!

We will see how things pan out and whatever you may do, I will forgive you 77 times!

Chuck

-- Edited by Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 on Wednesday 9th of March 2011 09:52:30 PM

aaron61 · Guest

Quite the little soap opera (As the RCIA TURNS)

Mar 9, 2011

aaron61 wrote:

Quite the little soap opera (As the RCIA TURNS)

biggrin ya, but our wives aren't involved, so it won't make a seies! biggrin

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It was said once that one of the reasons we banned Lori was becaused of all of the drama that she caused on this board. Well now she is gone but the drama has not.....

PWNA dues are $350 a year. As I said before, $100 is not enough to grow this organization.

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