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RE: NEW STANDARDS FOR VOTE!!!

AC Lockyer · none

white fox wrote:

AC Lockyer wrote:

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC wrote:

Again....My choice

I think its good to agree that you will do to the best of your ability. I think your limited use is even better than no use. We just want to make it easy to comply if you decide you want to do it wither limited or all the time. As you grow into some of the points of the standard we want to be there to make it easy to obtain. Its cool to see you headed there wither at 10% or 90% use. At least we have you considering it.
Just want to make sure when we are at the 2025 RCIA National Convention we all aren't towing around those oxygen carts behind us. LOL
AC

+1 I know its a area for me to work on but those nights you come home and your lungs hurt from breathing it makes me think. But hey its still your choice.

Gee Chet,

In 2025 you will be about........................28 right? LOL

AC

AC Lockyer · none

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC wrote:

garyw wrote:

Then put in a request to have those items changed.

That is what I thought I was doing. I don't see a link for changes.
I formally request a change of #36 & #37

The BOD is considering your request for review of 36 and 37. Thanks for your input.

AC

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

Roof Cleaning Toledo Ohio (419) 265-3306 wrote:

Much better than the first one. Can we do something about #4 and #5? Gotta be honest we hardly ever give a written proposal, must of the time the customer calls us up and says come on out and look at my roof and give me a quote. We do this and give them a verbal quote. I don't like to say "well let me go back to the office and type something up. If you give them a price on the spot you can answer any pricing concerns they have. I would have to say most of you also do it this way, Also we get a lot of jobs from neighbors who watch us and then run over and say do mine also. Last year we did five homes in a row in one day. None of them had a written proposal or scope of work to be performed. I will probably vote yes this time but we won't be adhering to number 4 or 5.

It does not say that they have to be written estimates. I would imagin you are already fullfilling this requirment weather you have written estimates or not.

for #4 are you making sure your customers understand your roof price and whats involved?

#5 are your customers aware of the work you will perform?

If you answer yes than you are fullfilling these pledges.

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

'Maybe it should read: use of respirator when deemed necessary. '

Your words here David.
OSHA has deemed it necessary.

As a professional ORG it is kinda hard to ignore federal laws.

It is your choice to obey or break the law, but there are still consequences for it.

You might want to go look over the stories of guys who have burnt lungs from SH exposure. It eats organic matter such as lung tissue and flesh.

I am qouting this from a study:
'Health effects of acute exposure
• Ingestion of sodium hypochlorite may cause burns to the mouth and throat,
gastrointestinal irritation, nausea, vomiting and diarrhoea
• Inhalation and ocular exposure to chlorine gas, produced when sodium hypochlorite
is mixed with acidic or alkaline solutions, results in burning of throat and lungs, eye
and nose irritation, chest tightness, coughing and sore throat. Exposure to higher
concentrations of chlorine may lead to tachypnoea, cyanosis, swelling of the airway,
and in severe cases, pulmonary oedema and respiratory failure
• Sodium hypochlorite is corrosive and may irritate the skin or cause burning pain,
inflammation and blisters.
• Ocular exposure may cause irritation, pain, lacrimation, photophobia and retinitis'

Cited from:
http://www.hpa.org.uk/web/HPAwebFile/HPAweb_C/1194947380553

So my brother in roof cleaning, I want you to please recognize that just because others are not doing it doesn't make it ok. Also please recognize that as a proffesional industry standard, it would be irresponsible of us not to make you guys aware of the true dangers of ignoring saftey.

Here are 4 more statements about SH and it's harmfull effects on your lungs.

1:
http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/chemical/pim495.htm#SectionTitle:2.1%20%20Main%20risks%20and%20target%20organs

2:
This one is US Dep of Health issued:
'Both hypochlorites are toxic by the oral and dermal routes and can react to release chlorine or chloramine which can be inhaled. The toxic effects of sodium and calcium hypochlorite are primarily due to the corrosive properties of the hypochlorite moiety. Systemic toxicity is rare, but metabolic acidosis may occur after ingestion.'
Cited from: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/Mhmi/mmg184.html

3:
'The immediate effects of chlorine gas toxicity include acute inflammation of the conjunctivae, nose, pharynx, larynx, trachea, and bronchi. Irritation of the airway mucosa leads to local edema secondary to active arterial and capillary hyperemia. Plasma exudation results in filling the alveoli with edema fluid, resulting in pulmonary congestion.'
Cited From:http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/820779-overview

4:Studies from Stanford University:
'Routes of Exposure
Inhalation, ingestion, skin and/or eye contact
Sodium hypochlorite has a pronounced irritant effect and may cause severe burns to skin and eyes. Poisonous vapor (chlorine gas) is corrosive to respiratory passages and may cause irritation of mouth, nose and throat. If ingested sodium hypochlorite is poisonous, causes burns, abdominal cramps, nausea, vomiting, lowered blood pressure, diarrhea, shock, coma, shock, and death may occur.
Chronic Exposure
Repeated or prolonged contact with skin may cause dermatitis, coughing, runny nose, bronchopneumonia, headaches, breathing difficulty, pulmonary edema and lung injury. Caustic dusts are irritating to the upper respiratory system; prolonged exposure to high concentrations may cause discomfort and ulceration of nasal passages.'
Cited From:http://www-group.slac.stanford.edu/esh/eshmanual/references/hazmatGuideSodiumHypochlorite.pdf

-- Edited by Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 on Wednesday 12th of January 2011 11:57:47 AM

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

I just wanted you to see this, it is your choice. Everything is your choice. Many are also not going to wear fall protection, that doesn't meas we should ignore it.

Remember:
'RCIA Members will pledge to uphold these standards as a guiding document to aide them in performing their craft. While engaging in business any consumer shall be able to clearly see these standards exceed the average industry standard and that an RCIA member is achieving this goal by applying these standards to the best of their ability.' Cited from the standards. The best of your ability may not include a mask. Many of us are using disposable masks at this point as the respirator training requirements are much more stringent through OSHA than the throw away mask requirements.

Also my friend, Deck stain is a lot different than SH. I come from the asbestos workers union. Asbestos is also different than SH or deck stain, in fact it is probably safer than SH as you only have a certain percentage chance of the proper fiber lodging and causing the 2 cancers associated with it. Unfortunately SH will do the damage over time to 100% of users.

My question to you would be: Would you remove asbestos without a mask?

I don't want a heated argument, but a simple debate. I hope you understand I am doing this because I care about the org, and it's members.

-- Edited by Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 on Wednesday 12th of January 2011 12:08:43 PM

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC · Jan 12, 2011

OK. Thanks guys. Maybe I haven't done enough roofs and I got lucky. I see your point. Will the simple cloth ones do or is the one with cartridges needed? I have both but the cartridge one would be miserable in the heat.

Thanks, David

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

Nuisance level organic vapor disposables come in a variety of choices. They are more expensive than dust masks, but can be cheaper than replacement cartridges for respirators. They are much more comfortable as well.

An example of a good disposable is listed here. This one is expensive and slightly better than the ones I use.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0025UG5G6/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B003BLCXG4&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0FRSE5MZCC974HESHEM7

Disposables do not require a physical, fit testing and sanitary cabinet like repirators do.

Nuisance level will fit most peoples needs, but if you are going to place someone in an enclosed enviroment, they will need an organic vapor at a higher PPM protection level for extremem exposure that can happen in a pool enclosure. In those situations it will burn the eyes like crazy. If anyone wants to spray SH indoors, they should consider a full face respirator to protect the eyes as well.

We put them in plastic bags when we are done so the carbon dosn't keep activating while not in use. We get a week-2 weeks out of one.

This was taught to me by AC, and I now teach it in my saftey seminars or classes (Non-OSHA training) along with the research I added.

Price shop around and find the one you like best now that you know what your fighting against.

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

Ubi dubium, ibi libertas

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC · Jan 12, 2011

Will one of these do?

http://www.uline.com/BL_1026/Dust-Respirators-with-Valve

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC on Wednesday 12th of January 2011 03:01:37 PM

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

Almost, those are made for solid materials.
Here is one from that site that will work still very expensive, we found 3m ones somewhere for about $45 per 10 count making them cost you $4.50 a week per person.

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-17015/Dust-Masks-Respirators/3M-8214-Organic-Vapors-Respirator

The search tern you are looking for is (nuisance organic vapor)

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC · Jan 12, 2011

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:

Almost, those are made for solid materials.
Here is one from that site that will work still very expensive, we found 3m ones somewhere for about $45 per 10 count making them cost you $4.50 a week per person.

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-17015/Dust-Masks-Respirators/3M-8214-Organic-Vapors-Respirator

The search tern you are looking for is (nuisance organic vapor)

Found them for $31. Thanks
http://www.durawear.com/index.cfm/a/catalog.prodShow/vid/4021/catid/110

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

Those are the ones we use Dave!!
Thanks for the link!

AC Lockyer · none

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC wrote:

OK. Thanks guys. Maybe I haven't done enough roofs and I got lucky. I see your point. Will the simple cloth ones do or is the one with cartridges needed? I have both but the cartridge one would be miserable in the heat.

Thanks, David

AWESOME! David its cool to see you and your company evolving already because of the 50 point standard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will be so very glad as you see more and more ways the standard builds your business for success!

Thanks!

AC

Shingle Shiner · Jan 12, 2011

Great foundation to work off. I will be voting yes and ensuring ShingleShiners pledge to each line item. I appreciate the boards diligence to put this together. I look forward to working this document in the future so we are constantly improving the standards. It adds a tremendous amount of equity and marketability to our value proposition.

The RCIA members and directors should be proud to be apart of this industry defining surge!

Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 · Guest

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC wrote:

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:

Almost, those are made for solid materials.
Here is one from that site that will work still very expensive, we found 3m ones somewhere for about $45 per 10 count making them cost you $4.50 a week per person.

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-17015/Dust-Masks-Respirators/3M-8214-Organic-Vapors-Respirator

The search tern you are looking for is (nuisance organic vapor)

Found them for $31. Thanks
http://www.durawear.com/index.cfm/a/catalog.prodShow/vid/4021/catid/110

Are these good for lung sensitive people, as Randy has asthma, but is usually from a dusty environment that triggers it. So I was unsure as to the leeway he may have as opposed to one of those huge gas mask looking things.

Thanks,
Kim R

white fox · Guest

AC Lockyer wrote:

Gee Chet,

In 2025 you will be about........................28 right? LOL

AC

Auctualy 37 but still dont want to be pulling a oxygen tank around....or have one custom built into my Dodge...Either way its worth thinking about NOW!!

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

Presidential Pressure Washing wrote:

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC wrote:

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:

Almost, those are made for solid materials.
Here is one from that site that will work still very expensive, we found 3m ones somewhere for about $45 per 10 count making them cost you $4.50 a week per person.

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-17015/Dust-Masks-Respirators/3M-8214-Organic-Vapors-Respirator

The search tern you are looking for is (nuisance organic vapor)

Found them for $31. Thanks
http://www.durawear.com/index.cfm/a/catalog.prodShow/vid/4021/catid/110

Are these good for lung sensitive people, as Randy has asthma, but is usually from a dusty environment that triggers it. So I was unsure as to the leeway he may have as opposed to one of those huge gas mask looking things.

Thanks,
Kim R

All the more reason to protect his lungs Kim!
I would imagine he might fail the respirator physical, I would give these a try. They are easier to breath through.
Or better yet, hire a top man, and keep Randy on the ground.

Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 · Guest

I would like him to stay off the roofs, but he loves to work, and this will be a cakewalk compared to tearing off in 10 degree weather 2 story's up. But his asthma is a definite issue.
Kim R

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Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC wrote:

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:

Almost, those are made for solid materials.
Here is one from that site that will work still very expensive, we found 3m ones somewhere for about $45 per 10 count making them cost you $4.50 a week per person.

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-17015/Dust-Masks-Respirators/3M-8214-Organic-Vapors-Respirator

The search tern you are looking for is (nuisance organic vapor)

Found them for $31. Thanks
http://www.durawear.com/index.cfm/a/catalog.prodShow/vid/4021/catid/110

Check Harbor Freight tools. I buy my respirators there and they are half that price. They are designed for chlorine vapors and they have replacement filters as well. They may not show it on the web site, but they definitely carry them in the stores.

Brian

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