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Travis · Guest

RE: Citra Shield Biocide ??????

Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 · Guest

As far as the leaks from one of the video's how can anyone make claims of the specific cause of the the failure. Unless it was monitored in a controlled study, there is no specific evidence to support that remark.

Not in defense of pressure cleaning, but just questioning the validity of that statement that pressure and/or chlorine caused the wood to rot. In order for any roof system to leak it has to have a vulnerable spot for water to penetrate.

That is why complete roof maintenance is key to the longevity of any roof system. The plywood sheets that have water marks on them are typical when there has been an ongoing leak and the mold growth on the plywood is due to moisture from the leak as well as improper ventilation of any roof system.

While they may have a product that does what is say it does, I loose interest quickly when claims are made that have no crediable resource to identify causes of damage such as the plywood issue.

The problem I see is lets use scare tactics to sell the products, if they don't bite on the price. A good solid product will stand on it's own and use good science behind it.

28 years tearing roofs off and replacing them, I do have some insight on the plywood shown in the video, it is very typical and common in roofs from the North that have never experienced cleaning of any kind. Sorry... that one doesn't fly with me.

Kim R

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 on Monday 11th of April 2011 11:11:55 PM

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX · Guest

You havent even told anyone what your product is or how it works. All you have to do is answer some simple questions and everyone will calm down. the fact that you wnot tells me that the assertions are correct and your product is worthless. Just like every other product, prove it works and we will buy it.

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Hey Joe,..you can't come here and try and sell a $12,500 system and not expect some controversy. There simply aren't enough benefits for most contractors here,..maybe someone is interested,..but as it stands guys can start a proven roof cleaning business for a fraction of what you're offering,..and not be bound to purchasing and using your product,..and then paying franchise fees.

Joe,..you're here to sell,..and not to help anyone but youself,..which is fine,..thats business,..

Jeff

Chowell77 · Guest

Here in Texas we still ride our horses to work

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Scott,.. from their own video it sounds like another slow release formula,..probably like copper sulphate,..which is a very effective roof cleaner,..but it is slow to work.,..and in my opinion,..not an easy sell. and I wouldn't be comfortable leaving a property without the roof looking any different than when I arrived,Ha,Ha...

You're right though,..he's not doing much in the way of answering questions.

Jeff

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX · Guest

Chowell77 wrote:
Here in Texas we still ride our horses to work

Thanks for letting the cat out of the bag. I have been trying to dispel that myth. Now everyone knows :)

Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 · Guest

Joe in all reality, no one here is asking for your trade secret just more info about the product, how it is used etc. do you think that by watching your video it has moved me to shell out 13k to you. remember your in sales, but it isn't working very well so far here. Yes it is a tough group here, I admit, but understand many have been doing this for years and have seen things come & go far too often.

But you never answered some good solid questions asked, just basically buy the system and don't worry about the rest. Guys do not roll over that easy for 13k. Now to top it all off you also are claiming that if we do not buy into your product you will in a sense put us out of business, so if that is a negative remark then what is?

We are all looking for better ways to operate and update our systems but you have to understand you are not the first here nor will be the last. Many guys want to listen to what you have to say but if you don't answer any questions well then I guess you are hitting a brick wall.

Answer my concern on the plywood, is there any science you have to divulge as to the roof replacement being caused by excessive pressure washing and/or chlorine? Was there samples taken from plywood and sent to a lab for testing for traces of any cleaning chemical type? Is there reports to substantiate this?

Give us some critical facts and answer a few questions is simple enough. And if you get into my area well have at it, best of luck to you, it is a really tough crowd. At the end of the day people vote with their wallets.

Best of luck Joe!

Kim R

Joe Mack wrote:

Sorry I have built a better system to the tune of 1.8m in sales 2010. (in 2 counties) Someone thinks it works! Keep using Chlorine, hydrochloride what ever else and let the public decide
I was trying to help introduce a better way by offering license areas but with all the negative response from this group I'll take my product , business model and systems to another market.
Don't be surprised to see a Citra-Shield BioCide tm applicator in you area. Good luck all see you in the future not the past! We use to ride horses to work before don't see much of that now...
Over and out

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I agree Kim,..show me the better way,..and I will be all for it,... Don't just say "Trust Me",.Ha,Ha...

Getting past the value of SH is gonna be a tough sell for any of these "safe" roof cleaning franchises. SH is works,..PERIOD,..and there's enough information on sites like this and other sites,..that put our methods way ahead of these guys,...

I don't think he realized that the system/method we use now is as simple as it is,...Everything is readily had,..and delivers fast SAFE results.

Jeff

Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 · Guest

The whole thing with the use of SH is there is no substantial evidence to support it is harmful to the environment like many claim, it is scare tactics that is all. For crying out loud it is made from the Earth itself and collapses into to common table salt, I have researched this issue extremely and I mean extremely heavily and find zero evidence to the many claims of it's use being an environmental issue period! The big fear is because people see a few plants die off from "graphic images and a shit ton of hype" this raises issues but the average person is not savvy in horticultural science and because they don't understand it, they get sold on hype and BS. period. Now if you want to talk environmental issues Here is a few that actually many should be thinking about is what has happened in Japan and the Gulf Oil spill. Yet there is scientists that make claims that the huge discharges of these disasters is not of a global concern. For that I really do not believe, as the Gulf Oil Spill has already been shown that the bottom of the ocean floor is dying off. Let alone the dispersants used to cause the oil to sink to the bottom, out of sight out of mind I suppose. I did a huge report on the BP oil spill and learned quite a bit, but still a mere fraction. I am no expert and guys that sell product by scare tactics and zero science to support the claims made should not be allowed in business period.

here is a typical scenario from Penn & Teller and speaks volumes:

Nuff said..

Kim R

Apr 12, 2011

Joe Mack wrote:
Not correct !!wrong msds sheet. Our product is 100% natural..

Hello Joe. I believe you and I talked out on Englewood Beach Rd a while back?

I questioned you at the start, about parking at 2395 where I am the caretaker-remember?

I was going to give you a customer I had worked for, who really needed someone with a recovery system. { Deisel pump areas in enclosed cement walls / cement floors } The cement walls are made with a protective coating inside and it gets all covered in algae and all kinds of slop!

This is at a large stone quarry.

I did the job with a sludge pump and a 300 gallon empty tank in the past, but doubt the EPA would have been pleased? The contractor signed paperwork that he wou;ld accept all responsibility for me. confuse

You said you had what was needed and called me a few times about it. I didn't call back, because I remembered, when my wife transferred work over from hand written work books into my computer, she asked about that job, because I had written "Don't do again" So, I told her to leave it out. Now, I don't have the contractors phone # etc.

If you are the same Joe, with the same "green" { I thought it said CITRINOL or CITONOL ? on your rig? } product you said you used.

Anyway, just curious and wanted to explain why I didn't call you back.

I lost your cards too!

I didn't do too good! Shame on me! I meant well though!

If it is you, and I'm pretty sure it is, That rig you had was the most beautiful thing I ever did see!!!

By the way, these guys don't mean to give you a hard time.

People show up here and say "WE ARE THE BEST" * "WE USE A NEW CHEMICAL" *

"WE HAVE A NEW CLEANING SOLUTION THAT LEAVES YOUR ROOF LOOKING LIKE A POWDERED DONUT" { Inside Joke } and then either never share a thing, but just come here to see what they can take away, or sell, sell, sell and when the product is crap, disappear, with no explanation about anything!

So, when anyone shows up and makes a claim without a clear explanation, I think you can see how we sometimes feel?

This is an info site and we share our ideas. Of course, if you just have something to sell, you are not going to give your reciepe, we understand that!

But lots of info about it, that you can share is what these guys want and expect.

If you are the Joe I talked to, you were a nice guy and very knowledgeable!

Please, tell us everything you care to share, so we can recognize the value of what you posted.

Thanks and sorry again I couldn't come through for you on that job. If you PM me your phone # and he calls this year, I will send him your way!

Chuck

jimmyjamroofcleaninman · Guest

So, when anyone shows up and makes a claim without a clear explanation, I think you can see how we sometimes feel?

This is an info site and we share our ideas. Of course, if you just have something to sell, you are not going to give your reciepe, we understand that!

But lots of info about it, that you can share is what these guys want and expect.

If you are the Joe I talked to, you were a nice guy and very knowledgeable!

Please, tell us everything you care to share, so we can recognize the value of what you posted.

Thanks and sorry again I couldn't come through for you on that job. If you PM me your phone # and he calls this year, I will send him your way!

Chuck

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Treasure Coast Roof Cleaning · Guest

Now I may be wrong but..... There is a guy in my area that goes by J. Mac roof cleaning or something of the sort.. He PW roofs and then sells the customer on a bi-annual treatment for .05 per sq. and all it is is some algaecide ... He is a nice older guy and the older folks in the area love him but they have no idea they are getting taken to the cleaners....This may be the same low baller that swiped a 6000 sq foot house from under us for $350 last week.

I am not trying to be mean to this guy, just stating facts. It may not be him, but same method and same name....

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX · Guest

Thats .05 per square foot. I dont see what the problem is!!

Hows that Pentaflex working out?

Treasure Coast Roof Cleaning · Guest

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:
Thats .05 per square foot. I dont see what the problem is!!

Hows that Pentaflex working out?

The Pentaflex is the best pump we have ever used!!! The .05 per sq isn't the problem. The problem is that he reels them in with a cheap initial clean the hits them for a couple hundred every six months and after 5 years the poor old folks in this area end up spending 1000-1500 dollars for a roof cleaning that should have cost them 600 or 700.. Just looking out for the people in the counties we work in.

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX · Guest

Looks you should call him up for some pointers :)

Treasure Coast Roof Cleaning · Guest

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:
Looks you should call him up for some pointers :)

I may be a D**k but not a thief.

Roof Cleaning Fort Myers FL 239-466-6980 · Guest

Treasure Coast Roof Cleaning wrote:
Now I may be wrong but..... There is a guy in my area that goes by J. Mac roof cleaning or something of the sort.. He PW roofs and then sells the customer on a bi-annual treatment for .05 per sq. and all it is is some algaecide ... He is a nice older guy and the older folks in the area love him but they have no idea they are getting taken to the cleaners....This may be the same low baller that swiped a 6000 sq foot house from under us for $350 last week.

I am not trying to be mean to this guy, just stating facts. It may not be him, but same method and same name....

It's not the same guy. This guy owns a fairly large business in Naples, FL. And he doesn't pressure wash roofs, he has developed his own biocide and applies it with low pressure pumps. Jon

clay · Guest

look man you still haven"t said what was in your product so why should we believe you there is another so called green product that causes cancer and is a toxic heavy metal so of course we are skeptical

RCIA Founder

Raystown Roof Cleaning Central PA 1-800-236-0322 wrote:
Hey Joe,..you can't come here and try and sell a $12,500 system and not expect some controversy. There simply aren't enough benefits for most contractors here,..maybe someone is interested,..but as it stands guys can start a proven roof cleaning business for a fraction of what you're offering,..and not be bound to purchasing and using your product,..and then paying franchise fees.

Joe,..you're here to sell,..and not to help anyone but youself,..which is fine,..thats business,..

Jeff

I agree, a 12,500.00 Franchise will be a tough sell, and Joe will have to register as a vendor here if he intends to sell franchises. But if those requirements are met, he has the right to hawk his stuff, like any other vendor.

This is an OLD Thread, and his intentions may be very different this time.

Joe joined as a premium member this time, seeking to help his website, and get Certified.

We can all relate to that I think ?

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