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Presidential Pressure Washing wrote:

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THESE ARE MY EXPRESSED VIEWS AND ONLY MINE.

50 Points and what the verbiage means for all points of view-
Me, Consumer, Competitor, Government and from a legal standpoint as well
(if a lawsuit were ever to arise against me )

First I will define what 50 points or ( 25) which ever it may be and the usefulness for MY Business.

SECTION 1
To my understanding the points program is a tool to be utilized by the premium members for a few reasons.

A- As a standard within our industry to reflect superiority to the general population of roof cleaners

B As a tool for for my sales to out preform in the bidding process

C To radiate competency to my clients

D To conform to governmental laws, which as a business it is already a standard or "law' anyway.

E To protect both legally and physically myself in the course of business

F As a personal achievement in knowing that my company has more value than (LMAO Roof Cleaners)

G Legal ramifications in the possible event of a lawsuit, as this document I will present to the client and if I were to be sued,a lawyer will tear through it and use it against me ) That is a guarantee.
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SECTION 2-
The verbiage within the document has been discussed at length and clarification should be done in a structured way.
I will quote the meanings of the problem verbiage within the document and dispel hopefully, by the use of a dictionary as my source. ( I will state that clients are not illiterate and in reading the points will read them from there point of view, not anyone else's ) In stating that, we go back to the sales portion, the superiority of the document and so forth. (Back to section 1)

THE VERBAGE CHOICES-

SHALL-  ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shall?show=0&t=1294150232 )

archaic a : will have to : must b : will be able to : can
2
a —used to express a command or exhortation <you shall go> b —used in laws, regulations, or directives to express what is mandatory <it shall be unlawful to carry firearms>
3
a —used to express what is inevitable or seems likely to happen in the future <we shall have to be ready> <we shall see> b —used to express simple futurity <when shall we expect you>
4
—used to express determination <they shall not pass>

WILL -  ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/will )

transitive verb
: desire, wish <call it what you will>
verbal auxiliary
1
—used to express desire, choice, willingness, consent, or in negative constructions refusal <no one would take the job> <if we will all do our best> <will you please stop that racket>
2
—used to express frequent, customary, or habitual action or natural tendency or disposition <will get angry over nothing> <will work one day and loaf the next>
3
—used to express futurity <tomorrow morning I will wake up in this first-class hotel suite — Tennessee Williams>
4
—used to express capability or sufficiency <the back seat will hold three passengers>
5
—used to express probability and often equivalent to the simple verb <that will be the babysitter>
6
a —used to express determination, insistence, persistence, or willfulness <I have made up my mind to go and go I will> b —used to express inevitability <accidents will happen>
7
—used to express a command, exhortation, or injunction <you will do as I say, at once>
intransitive verb
: to have a wish or desire <whether we will or no>

MUST -  ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/must )

verbal auxiliary
1
a : be commanded or requested to <you must stop> b : be urged to : ought by all means to <you must read that book>
2
: be compelled by physical necessity to <one must eat to live> : be required by immediate or future need or purpose to <we must hurry to catch the bus>
3
a : be obliged to : be compelled by social considerations to <I must say you're looking well> b : be required by law, custom, or moral conscience to <we must obey the rules> c : be determined to <if you must go at least wait for me> d : be unreasonably or perversely compelled to <why must you argue>
4
: be logically inferred or supposed to <it must be time>
5
: be compelled by fate or by natural law to <what must be will be>
6
: was or were presumably certain to : was or were bound to <if he did it she must have known>
7
dialect : may, shall —used chiefly in questions


CAN - ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/can )

transitive verb
1
obsolete : know, understand
2
archaic : to be able to do, make, or accomplish
intransitive verb
archaic : to have knowledge or skill
verbal auxiliary
1
a : know how to <she can read> b : be physically or mentally able to <he can lift 200 pounds> c —used to indicate possibility <do you think he can still be alive> <those things can happen> ; sometimes used interchangeably with may d : be permitted by conscience or feeling to <can hardly blame her> e : be made possible or probable by circumstances to <he can hardly have meant that> f : be inherently able or designed to <everything that money can buy> g : be logically or axiologically able to <2 + 2 can also be written 3 + 1> h : be enabled by law, agreement, or custom to
2
: have permission to —used interchangeably with may <you can go now if you like>


SHOULD -  ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/should )

past of shall
1
—used in auxiliary function to express condition <if he should leave his father, his father would die — Genesis 44:22(Revised Standard Version)>
2
—used in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency <'tis commanded I should do so — Shakespeare> <this is as it should be — H. L. Savage> <you should brush your teeth after each meal>
3
—used in auxiliary function to express futurity from a point of view in the past <realized that she should have to do most of her farm work before sunrise — Ellen Glasgow>
4
—used in auxiliary function to express what is probable or expected <with an early start, they should be here by noon>
5
—used in auxiliary function to express a request in a polite manner or to soften direct statement <I should suggest that a guide … is the first essential — L. D. Reddick>

COULD - ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/could?show=0&t=1294150895 )

past of can
—used in auxiliary function in the past <we found we could go>, in the past conditional <we said we would go if we could>, and as an alternative to can suggesting less force or certainty or as a polite form in the present <if you could come we would be pleased>

ADHERE-

intransitive verb

1

: to give support or maintain loyalty

2

obsolete : accord 3

3

: to hold fast or stick by or as if by gluing, suction, grasping, or fusing

4

: to bind oneself to observance <adhere to the rules>

transitive verb

: to cause to stick fast

So the point of this whole subject is the language in the document must be able to address the above mentioned items and I may have missed a few, I hope that someone will point those out please. My vision can be short sighted and could be expanded by the views of the members within the forum please.

To the BOD, in re-writing this document, my personal opinion is the verbiage cannot be lazy or loose for the aformentioned reasons and I hope that balance of the members may agree.
My hope is to clarify the word selections and before you respond and revise please take a few minutes to read into what was written and give google a visit to clarify what I have presented.
I am in no way, shape or form looking to start a firestorm.
Just offering some factual information from Merrium Webster Dictionary when the verbiage is re-written that it is clear what the correct meanings are behind the language.

Thank You,
Kim R

 

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AC Lockyer wrote:

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Presidential Pressure Washing wrote:

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THESE ARE MY EXPRESSED VIEWS AND ONLY MINE.

50 Points and what the verbiage means for all points of view-
Me, Consumer, Competitor, Government and from a legal standpoint as well
(if a lawsuit were ever to arise against me )

First I will define what 50 points or ( 25) which ever it may be and the usefulness for MY Business.

SECTION 1
To my understanding the points program is a tool to be utilized by the premium members for a few reasons.

A- As a standard within our industry to reflect superiority to the general population of roof cleaners

B As a tool for for my sales to out preform in the bidding process

C To radiate competency to my clients

D To conform to governmental laws, which as a business it is already a standard or "law' anyway.

E To protect both legally and physically myself in the course of business

F As a personal achievement in knowing that my company has more value than (LMAO Roof Cleaners)

G Legal ramifications in the possible event of a lawsuit, as this document I will present to the client and if I were to be sued,a lawyer will tear through it and use it against me ) That is a guarantee.
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SECTION 2-
The verbiage within the document has been discussed at length and clarification should be done in a structured way.
I will quote the meanings of the problem verbiage within the document and dispel hopefully, by the use of a dictionary as my source. ( I will state that clients are not illiterate and in reading the points will read them from there point of view, not anyone else's ) In stating that, we go back to the sales portion, the superiority of the document and so forth. (Back to section 1)

THE VERBAGE CHOICES-

SHALL-  ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shall?show=0&t=1294150232 )

archaic a : will have to : must b : will be able to : can
2
a —used to express a command or exhortation <you shall go> b —used in laws, regulations, or directives to express what is mandatory <it shall be unlawful to carry firearms>
3
a —used to express what is inevitable or seems likely to happen in the future <we shall have to be ready> <we shall see> b —used to express simple futurity <when shall we expect you>
4
—used to express determination <they shall not pass>

WILL -  ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/will )

transitive verb
: desire, wish <call it what you will>
verbal auxiliary
1
—used to express desire, choice, willingness, consent, or in negative constructions refusal <no one would take the job> <if we will all do our best> <will you please stop that racket>
2
—used to express frequent, customary, or habitual action or natural tendency or disposition <will get angry over nothing> <will work one day and loaf the next>
3
—used to express futurity <tomorrow morning I will wake up in this first-class hotel suite — Tennessee Williams>
4
—used to express capability or sufficiency <the back seat will hold three passengers>
5
—used to express probability and often equivalent to the simple verb <that will be the babysitter>
6
a —used to express determination, insistence, persistence, or willfulness <I have made up my mind to go and go I will> b —used to express inevitability <accidents will happen>
7
—used to express a command, exhortation, or injunction <you will do as I say, at once>
intransitive verb
: to have a wish or desire <whether we will or no>

MUST -  ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/must )

verbal auxiliary
1
a : be commanded or requested to <you must stop> b : be urged to : ought by all means to <you must read that book>
2
: be compelled by physical necessity to <one must eat to live> : be required by immediate or future need or purpose to <we must hurry to catch the bus>
3
a : be obliged to : be compelled by social considerations to <I must say you're looking well> b : be required by law, custom, or moral conscience to <we must obey the rules> c : be determined to <if you must go at least wait for me> d : be unreasonably or perversely compelled to <why must you argue>
4
: be logically inferred or supposed to <it must be time>
5
: be compelled by fate or by natural law to <what must be will be>
6
: was or were presumably certain to : was or were bound to <if he did it she must have known>
7
dialect : may, shall —used chiefly in questions


CAN - ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/can )

transitive verb
1
obsolete : know, understand
2
archaic : to be able to do, make, or accomplish
intransitive verb
archaic : to have knowledge or skill
verbal auxiliary
1
a : know how to <she can read> b : be physically or mentally able to <he can lift 200 pounds> c —used to indicate possibility <do you think he can still be alive> <those things can happen> ; sometimes used interchangeably with may d : be permitted by conscience or feeling to <can hardly blame her> e : be made possible or probable by circumstances to <he can hardly have meant that> f : be inherently able or designed to <everything that money can buy> g : be logically or axiologically able to <2 + 2 can also be written 3 + 1> h : be enabled by law, agreement, or custom to
2
: have permission to —used interchangeably with may <you can go now if you like>


SHOULD -  ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/should )

past of shall
1
—used in auxiliary function to express condition <if he should leave his father, his father would die — Genesis 44:22(Revised Standard Version)>
2
—used in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency <'tis commanded I should do so — Shakespeare> <this is as it should be — H. L. Savage> <you should brush your teeth after each meal>
3
—used in auxiliary function to express futurity from a point of view in the past <realized that she should have to do most of her farm work before sunrise — Ellen Glasgow>
4
—used in auxiliary function to express what is probable or expected <with an early start, they should be here by noon>
5
—used in auxiliary function to express a request in a polite manner or to soften direct statement <I should suggest that a guide … is the first essential — L. D. Reddick>

COULD - ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/could?show=0&t=1294150895 )

past of can
—used in auxiliary function in the past <we found we could go>, in the past conditional <we said we would go if we could>, and as an alternative to can suggesting less force or certainty or as a polite form in the present <if you could come we would be pleased>

ADHERE-

intransitive verb

1

: to give support or maintain loyalty

2

obsolete : accord 3

3

: to hold fast or stick by or as if by gluing, suction, grasping, or fusing

4

: to bind oneself to observance <adhere to the rules>

transitive verb

: to cause to stick fast

So the point of this whole subject is the language in the document must be able to address the above mentioned items and I may have missed a few, I hope that someone will point those out please. My vision can be short sighted and could be expanded by the views of the members within the forum please.

To the BOD, in re-writing this document, my personal opinion is the verbiage cannot be lazy or loose for the aformentioned reasons and I hope that balance of the members may agree.
My hope is to clarify the word selections and before you respond and revise please take a few minutes to read into what was written and give google a visit to clarify what I have presented.
I am in no way, shape or form looking to start a firestorm.
Just offering some factual information from Merrium Webster Dictionary when the verbiage is re-written that it is clear what the correct meanings are behind the language.

Thank You,
Kim R

 

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I like your point of view and I believe we are on the same page. Just to clarify, It seems you want to keep some of the teeth in the use of the words mentioned in your post above????

How does everyone else feel about what Kim has posted??

AC

 

 

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Brett

Presidential Pressure Washing wrote:

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For everyone,
I have heard both sides of the verbiage use and the issues that it may bring some.

If the BOD would like some assistance, I will rewrite the whole standards with language that can for the most part accommodate each opposing viewpoint.
"There is more than one way to skin a cat"
I have read the points and understand the ideal behind them. The changes will be in the use of verbiage and NOT the content itself.

Here is a sample I have re-written and let me know your all of your opinions based on this sample.


1.Members will always maintain a professional demeanor when presenting themselves as an RCIA member

Members agree that a professional demeanor should be carried when presentation of RCIA materials/insignia's during the course of business or as an acting representative of RCIA.

2.Members must not communicate intentional dis-information and must do ones best to speak in facts and truths when representing RCIA or when presenting information relating to the roof cleaning industry.

Members agree that factual and/or truthful information should be communicated to be best of each members ability when referencing RCIA and/or roof cleaning in a professional capacity or during the course of conducting business as an acting RCIA member.

Let me know what you think of this.
Kim R

-- Edited by Presidential Pressure Washing on Tuesday 4th of January 2011 09:09:27 PM

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Roof Cleaning Winter Park FL wrote:

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Presidential Pressure Washing wrote:

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Clyde
I never ask him too much, as we are pretty much on the same page.
Kim R

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Ok Kim I was just playing, I hope you know that. and thanks for your help today ok!

Clyde , yes I do know!!  lol

How did the day go? Keep plugging away, things will break

 

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