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I agree 100%

She does not deserve to have her and her family's company name dragged through the mud over a stupid personal issue between her and only a handful of clients that should have been kept private. If they don't like Lori and PWP, they can always go buy stuff somewhere else, not bash them publicly.

She obviously has done more good for the roof cleaning business than bad. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.

Chris wrote this sentence:

"Just as we educated Lori, we can educate other distributors, if they have the willingness to learn. In fact, several have called me and Bill. "

I am not going to go through this all over again. It took more than a year (16 months) for Lori to sell the best roof cleaning products we want and to become educated at the highest level to sell to her customers.

She started her first post with a Kuritec hose sale, which listed a variety of hoses we want.
Then she began offering 12V Delavan pumps, which are the best 12V pumps currently out right now. Allflo air diaphragm pumps were also added to the pump selections
She also offers a wide variety of fittings, nozzles, guns, and wand selection we wanted.
The slotted filter and new chlorine compatible surfactants were also added to help us.
Green apple chlorine compatible fragrance were added.

Lori has already proven to be the best roof cleaning supplier in the business and has a strong clientell base who will support her and stand up for her. More so than all the negative nay-sayers who have nothing better to do than make people as miserable as they are with their "misery loves company attitude"

Out of respect for Lori and her family's company I will also resign as a moderator if she is not re-instated on the board.


Mike Sullivan

Gary, Mike, Chris,

Please don't let this stuff get you down. Except for this thread that showed up this morning, the forum seems to be getting back to what it is supposed to be. Whoever popped this into the shade made a very wise choice. When this personal attack crap comes up, you have to nip it in the bud quick or it looks horrible. People want to join in and pile on relentlessly and it turns members off. All that drama with Lori vs Ron and then Clyde was disgusting to look at.

We need level headed, steady guys like you all to stay the course or things will deteriorate for this forum that has helped so many of us. Don't give up, just be vigilant to those who start getting hateful to others here-zero tolerance policy perhaps?

BTW, I called PWP, placed my order this afternoon and all was well. No waiting.

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:

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Heres my 2 cents.

Regardless of whether any rules were broken or not, Lori being here was a cancer. It degraded this board whether you like it or not. Alot of guys like her, alot of guys dont. When someone becomes a cancer, they have to leave.

I have seen Chris Tucker attacked on other boards, defend himself, then get banned. At first I protested but then realized that after Chris was banned, the instigators stopped causing trouble and the board went back to normal. Was it right he was banned? No. But it WAS necessary.

Lori is not a good person, doesnt know what she's talking about without parroting wrong info givin to her by her dad who knows nothing about roof cleaning either, lied to alot of people, drug Lonnie and Nikkis name through the mud, gives terrible customer service 75% of the time, threatened to sure everyone who called her out, etc....

She needed to go and the right decision was made.

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I agree 100 percent with Scott, I remember I got into it with Scott back awhile ago because of the things he said about Lori, but now I got a taste of Lori and how nasty she can be, I despise her now, I can't stand her, I never want to see her back here. And what about how she tried to black male Dwayne, if any of you can live with that shame on you, she is a low life for doing that!

i dont care about her freakin low prices because her service sucks.

and she is a liar too, she lied to me, I don't do business with liars.

Lori is about as low as the come, I'm so mad because she deceived me in a big way.

I was warned by many and I didn't see it, and those of you that like Lori, just wait till she lies to you.

 

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning NJ on Thursday 19th of August 2010 07:58:42 PM

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Roof Cleaning NJ wrote:

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Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:

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Heres my 2 cents.

Regardless of whether any rules were broken or not, Lori being here was a cancer. It degraded this board whether you like it or not. Alot of guys like her, alot of guys dont. When someone becomes a cancer, they have to leave.

I have seen Chris Tucker attacked on other boards, defend himself, then get banned. At first I protested but then realized that after Chris was banned, the instigators stopped causing trouble and the board went back to normal. Was it right he was banned? No. But it WAS necessary.

Lori is not a good person, doesnt know what she's talking about without parroting wrong info givin to her by her dad who knows nothing about roof cleaning either, lied to alot of people, drug Lonnie and Nikkis name through the mud, gives terrible customer service 75% of the time, threatened to sure everyone who called her out, etc....

She needed to go and the right decision was made.

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I agree 100 percent with Scott, I remember I got into it with Scott back awhile ago because of the things he said about Lori, but now I got a taste of Lori and how nasty she can be, I despise her now, I can't stand her, I never want to see her back here. And what about how she tried to black male Dwayne, if any of you can live with that shame on you, she is a low life for doing that!

i dont care about her freakin low prices because her service sucks.

and she is a liar too, she lied to me, I don't do business with liars.

Lori is about as low as the come, I'm so mad because she deceived me in a big way.

I was warned by many and I didn't see it, and those of you that like Lori, just wait till she lies to you.

 

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning NJ on Thursday 19th of August 2010 07:58:42 PM

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This action was promoted by a "lynch mob" that totally ignored the fact that NO RCIA rules were violated in public on this forum. Show me the proof! Sorry, but personal opinions and who you chose to do business with or not, do not qualify as "rules" on RCIA!

 And personal opinions are just that---PERSONAL

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hopefully Dwayne will show the proof and you will have to read thru the lines

thats all the proof I need I saw it just as everyone else.

Chris Tucker said what she did to Ron, I believe Chris

at this point I believe everyone because I know first hand Lori is a liar.

sorry once a liar always a liar unless you proved to me that you made some kinda of change and not over night

 

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"At present, I see no end in sight for this drama, as some refuse to let it die and move on with important things in their lives. Some are too blind and hard headed to see what this absurd BS has done to this forum, even though it should never even been started here."

Come on Clyde. Get your head out of your arshe. Did you not read Dewaynes post, it was addressed to you, stating that he had thought long and hard about the event you keep harping on, and he was "done" with it. Why can't you be?? You have some kind of personaL axe to grind with Lori, Please find some other place to do it. A lot of people are getting quite tired of your constant whining and crying about how you were mis-treated, lied to, etc. Do you "really" need this kind of attention?

Well since you guys asked, we might as well talk about what happened to lead up to deleting Lori from the forum.

For a few months people were promoting her and she was posting questions learning what equipment to sell to the roof cleaning industry. She already had some idea and was coaxed by roof cleaners from Florida to post on these forums in order to grow her business. I saw a lot of people on this forum buying from her and eventually made an order as well. I enjoyed my experience and the company was sending me what I wanted at a low price.

After a few conversations with Lori about shop, RCIA and the industries future I believed she was going to make some good money from advertising on the forums and working with the RCIA as it attempts to grow. This all seemed fine but then the post from Ron that started a chain reaction was posted and I received a phone call from Lori within 20 minutes of it being posted. I was in the field and she was very upset asking me to remove this post and that Ron was trying to destroy her business. I told her I would have to read it and that I would call her back. I read it and because it had no derogatory statements and no accusations other than that she was not giving away the skid, I saw no real reason to delete it. I called Lori back and told her the best thing to do if this man is trying to hurt you is to post the truth back. She agreed but this did not happen. Instead the post went on for over a day and most of it was people supporting Lori and not liking the accusation. I was on the Phone with Ron and Lori many times and told them both that I was telling each of them what the other said to me on the phone. I told them both each others stories and it didn't add up. What happened is this. Lori promised a skid to NCE and also personally promised Chris that the skid would be there as RCIA would be present supporting PWP as well. This never really became public and so Ron thought RCIA would care more that our distributor had left a hole that could make us look bad. I really didn't understand the behavior that Ron was describing to me over the whole deal with Lori. It made no sense on either side. See, there will be 60 distributors in Charleston. More distributors helps NCE events. It makes no sense for Ron to want to hurt a distributor, but that was what Lori told me he was trying to do. For a while I didn't know who to believe, but now I have seen it multiple times and had to deal with it too.

Lori was calling many members at this point and talking to them about this drama between her and Ron that was now public fodder for the masses. Many of them were calling and emailing me. I really just wanted to prepare for the RCIA to present itself at the Tampa event. We were finally going to meet many members and show that we can be more than a message board, with a certification. Instead the board was torn over this drama. So I made a deal, Ron had to stop picking on Lori and Lori had to stop picking on Ron. Simple right??

Ron publicly over and over invited Lori to still come and represent herself at the Tampa event. She told me on the phone she was not allowed there. I pleaded with Ron to allow the PWP pump giveaway at the RCIA social in Tampa. He didn't want to get involved with another prize giveaway from her after playing the mind game with her I was about to go through, but he allowed it as long as she understood she was not there as a vendor after the Social. At the social I set it up for her to be recognized as the RCIA official official sponsor and wanted to promote it on the forum. I had her sign an agreement to bring the pump to the show for delivery to the winner at the show or to be shipped by an RCIA rep at the show to a non present winner. It was available only to RCIA members and new members that signed up at the show. I also provided an IR AOD pump in the name of RCIA as a giveaway at the show. I asked Lori verbally to not create any new drama on the forum and to leave Ron alone. He was already leaving her alone.

Not two days later she posted this as a thread:

Posted by Lori:

"I admit, I have been a member of RCIA for only about a year or so. I was invited to join. I have enjoyed these and I am bewildered by one individual in particular whom seems to have a need to publish a seemingly extreme disdain for me both personally and professionally. Should I prove and gather evidence of damage, that individual would become legally liable for pursued financial restitution. Luckily, I am not a litigious individual.

During this period of time, I have noticed many instances of disapointment in character of individuals posting on this bbs and others. (I am talking about a handful of offenders.) Some seem to be addicted to the negativity of poking fun at an individual or creating topics for childish gossip unrelated to roof cleaning, pressure washing or the related industries.

Comments on many threads are quite simply, LIBEL.

For the offenders, please explain when you feel that the veil and ambiguity of the computer screen and keyboard should fade the line of our constitutional right of free speech versus defamatory libel for you. When? Why do you feel you have the right? This behavior is not ethical nor professional or even Christian. The rude comments, defamatory, false statements and criticism should cease. It does not add intellectual value to the bbs.

Do you know that a defamatory statement does not have to prove to be true to be libel? Verbalization of malicious defamation meets the definition of slander. When defamation fueled by malicious intent is published, it becomes libel. Realize that opinions are not held innocuous to the definition of libel.

Although this handful of cowardly offenders hide behind their computer screens in this virtual world, please be mindful of those written comments. Libel is injurious. The bbs operators, moderators and registered owner(s) are legally accountable for the content.

As you read through past threads that exhibit a taste of malice, reflect on how the recipient may feel. Remember that the person responsible for the post(s), the moderators, operators and owner(s) may be held legally liable for financial restitution."


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Now I was at a friends graduation party Saturday night. He got his masters degree and works at Hopkins. I was very happy for him. I received three phone calls about this new thread, and so I looked on my cell phone and it already had 6 very negative responses. I just decided to delete it and was wondering why our agreement was not kept?? I also called a friend who is one of a few lawyers I know to ask of what she was writing was true, and he said it was a pretty empty threat meant to intimidate someone. I really don't know who and really I didn't care either, it was just making more trouble when the trouble had just ended. I learned the next day that she posted pretty much the same thing on PWI and it got her banned. It was almost the same post as it was over here, just with different forum names.
The next day I received a PM that asked were the thread went so I responded that it had to go and that we had an agreement not to be creating drama.

See this is someone telling me that she wanted to do all this good, but kept creating all this bad.

After that she refused my phone calls, saying I can only talk to you by PM or email and she hung up on me.

So I asked many times what her thread meant and why she posted it as she continually called me childish and said she wanted to post comments. I repeatedly asked when she would be coming to the social and how we could plan for it but she never answered...

See I sent her a pm saying not to start new threads until we decide how we want to work with distributors on the forum. She started calling people on the phone telling them she was banned and not allowed to post. This was never true and I stated it to her in many emails. I felt like I was being baited for something and also said that to her in email..... In the meantime the Tampa event were RCIA was going to make it's first public appearance was two weeks away and my sponsor was not communicating with me.

She never actually paid a sponsorship, and the giveaway was already posted. I commented one or two times in the giveaway thread that it was an RCIA social giveaway, but she never promoted that, just ignored it.

In the end a few days before the social, I told her to go ahead and make threads, do whatever you want, when will you arrive at the social. No answer??

She arrived at the social ten minutes before the giveaway drawing was supposed to start. I had no idea if she was even going to show.

This is just the beginning of a long long drawn out experience that has been going on for over a month. She made promises and broke them. She lied to many members. I have accounts of members telling me there was sexual manipulation involved in conversations with her. Multible accounts of gossip about the board to her customers. Multible accounts of threats, not just the threat to Dwayne.  

She is gone because the moderators here are supposed to help roof cleaners not solve drama caused by distributors. Because the RCIA as it grows cannot trust someone who works in this manner.

To people like Midtown... I think you were hanging out with Westerman too long. I spent 3K appearing at and promoting RCIA in Tampa.
Snakes?? : THIS IS A FREE FORUM, HOW COULD WE POSSIBLY BE RIPPING YOU OFF???

You pay Lori you pay Dave and now the guys that really taught you for free are snakes??

Instead of calling us snakes try the phone number below. If any of you think I am robbing you, please explain. Write it here, call me, whatever.. Let's here the grandiose conspiracy of how we are trying to destroy PWP and the RCIA after we built them both up?? Let's here how Chris and me are stealing all the money you never gave us?? If you need me to prove myself to any of you personally call my cell right now, tonight, tomorrow whenever....240-425-2845. I have never hurt any of you, never taken anyone's money in the name of RCIA, or any association, have always helped this industry as much as I can and really want to know if my members have distrust for whatever reason.

Ask your questions... Get it all out right here


-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Pro Greensboro NC (336)362 7659 on Friday 20th of August 2010 08:45:29 AM

yea Midtown you need a Jersey azz whipin thats what you need

Roof Cleaning NJ wrote:

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yea Midtown you need a Jersey azz whipin thats what you need

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He does Clyde, that chit really hurt me. I give my life to this board for nothing, as Bill, Gary, Doug, Mike, and many members do.

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:

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That's right gary it is opinion. There's no conspiracy, so your "opinion" that there was a lynch mob is just that. Fortunately, you lose and this board can go back to normal.

Bottom line, Lori brought this on. If she was a good honest person it would reflect it. Just like Bob, Russ, sunbrtie, etc...

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all this drama started with lori. I havent saw drama in a awhile with members just lori and other members. So since there is no lori there should be no drama. If you wanna use PWP look them up on google and then call them. Thats my opinion.