That's a personal decision, you made for yourself. Has someone swayed your prior thinking?? You said "All RCIA members,
Due to the NEW controversy over the use of the American flag in our LOGO, I have had discussions with those outside of our organization as well as within and everyone I have called or recently asked about this subject agrees across the board so far that we should not use the FLAG in our LOGO as it would be like someone stealing MALLARD name or DUCK trade name and service mark from AC Lockyear of TERRA Clean, and just like the door hangers issue of someone encroachig on his BRAND, this may be just plain WRONG to do as well.
How would ANY OF US like it if someone ripped off our LOGO and used it. That is kind of what we are doing, not blatantly, but in a way?
Using the American Flag for our own use WITHOUT permission of the powers that be might open a can of worms for us all and may be seen as a slap in the face to some veterans or worse.
It could even be looked down upon by many and we may or may not ever know for sure, maybe until it is too late.
IMHO, lets NOT start off our membership by giving ourselves a black eye out of the gate.
To some, using the AMERICAN FLAG is like ripping off our nation and cheapening it.
I say, Let our flag STAND, on its own and AVOID unnecessary controversy by steering clear of this issue altogether.
Lets, go back to the drawing board and look at our other choices.
It is NOT that horrible to just choose another design?"
This looks like a whole change of thinking, from your above words?
"Do you all think that my new AVATAR with the Little, FLAG waving Eagle MASCOT is Offensive?
Am I being DISRESPECTFUL with its use?
I, personally do not think so and in fact, since it is a Centennial Flag, it might not even fit this category.
To judge all flag use in advertising as inappropriate?
I am not sure the benefit of this form of censorship?"
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That's a personal decision, you made for yourself. Has someone swayed your prior thinking?? You said "All RCIA members,
Due to the NEW controversy over the use of the American flag in our LOGO, I have had discussions with those outside of our organization as well as within and everyone I have called or recently asked about this subject agrees across the board so far that we should not use the FLAG in our LOGO as it would be like someone stealing MALLARD name or DUCK trade name and service mark from AC Lockyear of TERRA Clean, and just like the door hangers issue of someone encroachig on his BRAND, this may be just plain WRONG to do as well.
How would ANY OF US like it if someone ripped off our LOGO and used it. That is kind of what we are doing, not blatantly, but in a way?
Using the American Flag for our own use WITHOUT permission of the powers that be might open a can of worms for us all and may be seen as a slap in the face to some veterans or worse.
It could even be looked down upon by many and we may or may not ever know for sure, maybe until it is too late.
IMHO, lets NOT start off our membership by giving ourselves a black eye out of the gate.
To some, using the AMERICAN FLAG is like ripping off our nation and cheapening it.
I say, Let our flag STAND, on its own and AVOID unnecessary controversy by steering clear of this issue altogether.
Lets, go back to the drawing board and look at our other choices.
It is NOT that horrible to just choose another design?"
This looks like a whole change of thinking, from your above words?
"Do you all think that my new AVATAR with the Little, FLAG waving Eagle MASCOT is Offensive?
Am I being DISRESPECTFUL with its use?
I, personally do not think so and in fact, since it is a Centennial Flag, it might not even fit this category.
To judge all flag use in advertising as inappropriate?
I am not sure the benefit of this form of censorship?"
Chuck, knowing Dave as well as I do, here is what I think. He is a SUPER nice, kind, and considerate person. He wants to please EVERYONE
Unfortunately. THAT is NOT Possible
It is MY opinion we MUST do what the MAJORITY of the people want.
Personally, as has been reiterated by Kid, this is NO American Flag in our Logo.
Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
I did not have any laws translated. I do not have a law degree. I was just researching a question in my mind and reading what I found with common sense. I believe it is saying that using the United States Flag for personal advertising and other private [non government] business is frowned upon by ethical Americans and may even be illegal in some states? If my timing was bad, i'm sorry, I didn't time it, I thought of it all at once! I didn't care to pm a moderator, I wanted to have the views of all members, not just 1. The logo represents us all. If speed is what matters, by all means, use another disfigured flag like millions of other business already have! I am not trying to stop you! If you make that decision, i'll never speak of it again. If you on the other hand, you have operated without a logo for 6 months, a few days more, for all members to consider weather or not to use the American flag as a symbol for roof cleaning, shouldn't shake the world up too greatly. And, rather than having a voting system and then having moderators post "Can I change your votes to number 8" Perhaps the powers that be, here at RCIA should have just made a logo and then people like me, would not have tried to make it a discussable subject??? Sorry for speaking my mind.
Chuck Bergman Roof Cleaning
Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:
ok, i didn't say it wasn't worth considering. Did you have that law translated?? Do you have a law degree?? So do you REALLY know what it is saying??
That is why I will have it checked out. I think you statement is worth considering just ill timed and ill construed as well as something you could have pm'd to a moderator instead of putting the brakes on the whole forum. Your statement is not fully researched and has caused a major disruption to the advancement of the logo.
Speed is an issue as would you run a business or association without a name for 6 months or more. That is how long they have worked on this. Would you care if a contractor told you they were certified by a group who can't get more than 18 people to vote on a logo just to start all over again every 2 months 3 times in a row. It makes us look confused sloppy and unorganized.
Perhaps I am right and we should join the millions of other people who have a LOGO AT ALL!!!!!
I dont know guys all i see is colors, red white and blue.. stands for america in my opinon, I think their is even a beer called red white and blue.. i honestly don`t see a flag here like i seen on a bus going down the road yesterday and like i see here in Branson ( missouri`s Hollwood) everyday.. This should not be an issue here..lets move on ..
KID Veteran US Army
Well put Kid ! There IS no Flag, just red white and blue colors, and a star or two. I woud call our Logo an "Americanized" version of a Greek Temple, LOL And we ARE the Roof Cleaning Institute of AMERICA
-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Branson/Springfield,Mo (417) 230 8103 on Sunday 5th of April 2009 10:00:31 AM
That is correct Chris it is Roof Cleaning ofAmericaand it should have our GREAT Nations Colors
New Topic Please
KID
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If all you see is colors and feel that no matter how they are used, they stand for what the flag is meant to stand for, then I see your point. That is all most people see nowadays. It's partially because we accept all that happens in this day and age, as "acceptable" that Hollywood,Branson and others can freely capitalize on the flag, divorce is rampant, not accepting homosexuality make you the bad guy, and this nation is in deep trouble! Don't matter, it's only colors and stars anyway.
I dont know guys all i see is colors, red white and blue.. stands for america in my opinon, I think their is even a beer called red white and blue.. i honestly don`t see a flag here like i seen on a bus going down the road yesterday and like i see here in Branson ( missouri`s Hollwood) everyday.. This should not be an issue here..lets move on ..
KID Veteran US Army
Well put Kid ! There IS no Flag, just red white and blue colors, and a star or two. I woud call our Logo an "Americanized" version of a Greek Temple, LOL And we ARE the Roof Cleaning Institute of AMERICA
Bergman Roof Cleaning Port Charlotte FL 941-698-1959 wrote:
I did not have any laws translated. I do not have a law degree. I was just researching a question in my mind and reading what I found with common sense. I believe it is saying that using the United States Flag for personal advertising and other private [non government] business is frowned upon by ethical Americans and may even be illegal in some states? If my timing was bad, i'm sorry, I didn't time it, I thought of it all at once! I didn't care to pm a moderator, I wanted to have the views of all members, not just 1. The logo represents us all. If speed is what matters, by all means, use another disfigured flag like millions of other business already have! I am not trying to stop you! If you make that decision, i'll never speak of it again. If you on the other hand, you have operated without a logo for 6 months, a few days more, for all members to consider weather or not to use the American flag as a symbol for roof cleaning, shouldn't shake the world up too greatly. And, rather than having a voting system and then having moderators post "Can I change your votes to number 8" Perhaps the powers that be, here at RCIA should have just made a logo and then people like me, would not have tried to make it a discussable subject??? Sorry for speaking my mind.
Chuck Bergman Roof Cleaning
Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:
ok, i didn't say it wasn't worth considering. Did you have that law translated?? Do you have a law degree?? So do you REALLY know what it is saying??
That is why I will have it checked out. I think you statement is worth considering just ill timed and ill construed as well as something you could have pm'd to a moderator instead of putting the brakes on the whole forum. Your statement is not fully researched and has caused a major disruption to the advancement of the logo.
Speed is an issue as would you run a business or association without a name for 6 months or more. That is how long they have worked on this. Would you care if a contractor told you they were certified by a group who can't get more than 18 people to vote on a logo just to start all over again every 2 months 3 times in a row. It makes us look confused sloppy and unorganized.
Perhaps I am right and we should join the millions of other people who have a LOGO AT ALL!!!!!
I dont know guys all i see is colors, red white and blue.. stands for america in my opinon, I think their is even a beer called red white and blue.. i honestly don`t see a flag here like i seen on a bus going down the road yesterday and like i see here in Branson ( missouri`s Hollwood) everyday.. This should not be an issue here..lets move on ..
KID Veteran US Army
Well put Kid ! There IS no Flag, just red white and blue colors, and a star or two. I woud call our Logo an "Americanized" version of a Greek Temple, LOL And we ARE the Roof Cleaning Institute of AMERICA
-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Branson/Springfield,Mo (417) 230 8103 on Sunday 5th of April 2009 10:00:31 AM
That is correct Chris it is Roof Cleaning ofAmericaand it should have our GREAT Nations Colors
New Topic Please
KID
-- Edited by Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa (813) 655-8777 on Sunday 5th of April 2009 03:44:58 PM
Their is nothing wrong with using the American Flag as part of the logo. Many companies do it. It is not like the flag is being burned. That would be offensive. Â