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confuse  help out the new guy, i plan on starting with the roof cleaning this spring i love all the info i've read so far, a question i have is how do you protect the other areas of the house ( siding , decks etc) from the cleaning agent.

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confuse  help out the new guy, i plan on starting with the roof cleaning this spring i love all the info i've read so far, a question i have is how do you protect the other areas of the house ( siding , decks etc) from the cleaning agent.



Welcome to RCIA...
To answer your question....Water ,water, and more water. When performing a Non pressure Roof Cleaning and using the Roof Cleaning chemical you should always have a ground person watering below. Rinse and keep the exterior walls, plants , shrubs etc... wet during the whole process and your ground man should be the one leading you. He is the boss. If he is still dealing with runnoff and you go and start another section without him there you are asking for trouble. If there are gutters involved you should always bag them to catch any runnoff that could burn or destroy grass etc... 



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what would you say to use as far as a bag for the gutter,becasue i never would of thought of that and i dont want to burn anyones yard up!Thanks again to everone  in RCIA for all their help.so much info!!!

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what would you say to use as far as a bag for the gutter,becasue i never would of thought of that and i dont want to burn anyones yard up!Thanks again to everone  in RCIA for all their help.so much info!!!

-- Edited by Eric at 22:51, 2009-02-10

-- Edited by Eric at 22:54, 2009-02-10



Hefty garbage bags work great for bagging the downspouts coming from the gutters of residential and commercial roof structures.

I would go to your nearest Sam's Club, Lowe's, etc. and pickup a Contractor pack of black or clear cheap but commercial grade plastic garbage bags (semi-heavy mil-thickness) and get yourself the bulk pack of a dozen rolls of duct tape (you'll need duct tape to hold the bags on. Always apply dry before starting to clean as the tape does  not stick when wet with water let alone roof cleaning solution).

Always, attempt, when possible, to use the PROVEN NO-RINSE, Non-Pressure Roof Cleaning and Algae Preventative techniques outlined on this forum and promoted by Roof Clean USA and many other Roof Cleaning Members here on this terrific board.

Here on the Roof Cleaning Institute Of America, or RCIA, for short, Non-Pressure Roof Cleaning methods are regognized as the perferred roof cleaning method.

Try for minimal runoff, for environmental reasons but, when it occurs and you are dealing with gutters, then bag them when possible or even divert them (the gutters) if you rinse to a safe zone with flexible pipe to avoid possible plant or landscape harm from concentrated salts exposure.

Always check with your local EPA in your state regarding rules and regs on runoff and comply with your local city ordinances whenever possible.

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confuse  help out the new guy, i plan on starting with the roof cleaning this spring i love all the info i've read so far, a question i have is how do you protect the other areas of the house ( siding , decks etc) from the cleaning agent.




Welcome aboard RCIA --------TROPO

Larry of All Surface has made some good points.

Listen to his wisdom, as it comes from experience.


Much Success and keep posting your questions.

 

We will try to answer all of them.

 

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AGAIN THANKS FOR THE HELP , VIN

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I use the Husky contractor bags from Home Depot. 3 mils thick, 42 gallons. Very tough.

They come in a yellow box. 

I also use duct tape to secure them to the downspouts.




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we use the bags and we use the black gutter drains as well

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my question is what do you do with the runoff chem once you have collected it from the gutters? is it safe or even legal to pour it down a drain or the street or something

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Yes, it can only help. Everyone knows how nasty the sewer systems are. You would be cleaning them slightly. The water treatment plants use the exact same thing to disinfect the water. Sodium hypochlorite is the #1 worldwide chemical for all algae/mold/baterial prevention.

When I type in on google,

Sodium hypochlorite greensboro

The first link shows the water treatment plant switching from using Chlorine gas to liquid sodium hypochlorite in 1999 because it is much safer to work with.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sodium+hypochlorite+greensboro&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

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I contacted the town water department to ask for more information about discharging chlorine into the sewers. They referred me to the State Dept of Environmental Protection. I spoke to 2 different people and got 2 different answers. One says it's OK. The other says no. Both said that if there is any detergent in the mix, I can not discharge, so Applesauce would be a no-no here.

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That's surprising. When you collect the bags from the downspouts, the strength of the chemical has been broken down and used up from being exposed to the algae and the air. The bleach and the proteins in the algae attack each other, the bleach wins the war, and begins to oxidize and biodegrade rapidly. The chemical has little cleaning power after it flows through the downspouts used up.

Mainly what's left is salt (sodium) and detergent.

Maybe the one person who said no, thought you were pouring the bleach/detergent down the drain fresh.

People use bleach and detergent in their laundry all the time, so you would think the guy who said no is wrong.

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I will have to call again and clarify what I meant.

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So let me get this straight, you guys disconnect the downspout pipes from the top drain hole and tape a bag on the gutter outlet hole? I know on most gutters at least around here you can't move the downspout pipe without either bending it or needing to remove the whole top section which you would also remove the bracket. Or are you taking the bottom section off which would seem more logical, but still needing to remove a bracket? then bag it and take the run off away. A run down on the proceedure would be great.

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No, we bag at the bottom. I use thick contractor Husky bags from Home Depot, 3mils thick, 42 gallons. Secure with duct tape.

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Thank you Mike, what do you do with the waste?

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Pour it along the edge of the curb in street. 

Sometimes I like to rinse the curb and dilute it down, where I poured the chemical.  Not necessary, but I like to avoid anyone freaking out about the fumes or the suds.  Some people are negative and will give you a hard time about the most mundane, pickiest, & minor things.



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So let me get this straight. Around here the gutters drain into the street. If I am bagging the gutters and then dumping the chem in the same place it would be going if I did not bag them, I am not understanding I guess. I mean its going to run to the same place right?

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You won't have to bag them if the gutters drain into the street.

The point of the bags is to not let the roof mix into the customers yard/landscaping.

That's great if most of the gutters in your area drain into the street.

In NC, most of them drain into the yard.

In Florida most houses don't even have gutters, and a ground man is a must for constantly watering bushes to dilute the chemicals down to a safe level.

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Mike,

Thank you again for your answers. So as long as I double check and make sure all gutters run into a main drain towards the street and maybe have a water hose running towards the curb it should be ok. I have checked with the DEQ before coming up with my moss solution and house washing mix and they said it would be fine. But this mix is different which I will bring that question up in another post.


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