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Roof Cleaning Corpus Christi TX wrote:

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Another thing to think about is not too many things are really rated for chlorine use, especially storage.

I try to not store any roof mix in the tanks after the roof job is done, I will dispose of it properly so it is not in the tanks.

Before doing a roof, I will keep all mix components separate until I am ready to do the job so it does not make any pressure or gasses.

As for pumps, there are so many to choose from, some like the electric, some like the Udor, some like the All Flo, and then there are the lesser known brands and quality pumps. I had great luck with the Chemical Bandit, the pump lasted 2.5 years until the roller pump finally gave out but with the new pump installed, it was giving me problems already so I will be going another direction. I will be ordering the All Flo from Lori at Pressure Washer Products, Lori if you see this go ahead and send me one.

Everyone has their reasons for liking the pump that they use and that is ok, as long as everyone is happy with what they are using, the debates will go on and on and on.

My reasons for choosing the All Flo is that the manufacturer actually gives out a warranty on the pump, even with chlorine use where the others don't.

Another reason is that Diaphragm pumps typically will handle chemicals that are more harsh that regular pumps will not handle very long.

When you have pump bodies along with diaphragms that are engineered to work with the chemical you are using that is a win-win situation and you can expect that the pump will last a while.

Using these roof cleaning mixtures, they are harsh on most pumps so you cannot expect most pumps to last long so you try to find what you can to last long enough to make enough profit to justify the job and use some of the profit to get another pump so you are ready to replace the pump WHEN, NOT IF it wears out.

Too many guys expect pumps to last years in this business when the pumps are not even designed to do what we want them to do but some of us get lucky and they last a while so we are happy but some guys that have bad luck with the pumps just complain about this and that knowing that the pumps are not really designed to do what we make them do. You cannot make everyone happy all the time. O Well. Get over it.

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 Great Post Chris, Your right about its a choice

Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

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KY Roof Cleaning wrote:

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I came to the conclusion a while back that pumps used to spray Sodium Hypochlorite are expendable. Disposable and need to be factored into expenses. The only folks I see who really sweat having to replace pumps regularly are the one doing $99 roof cleans.

Take the Delavans for example... $130 pumps. Most say they get AT LEAST 10 cleans before a failure. (We did 35 on our first one) So 10 roofs, $130 is $13/roof. Adding $13 to the price of a roof is easy.

Now, my Udor Zeta($1300) has lasted 2 full seasons and is on it's third now. I did not know how long I could expect. When it bites the bullet, I'll try the air even though I don't really want another peice of equipment to worry about. (Air Compressor) Either way, we will be sure to price for profit and not sweat pump costs.

Again, I think they are ALL disposable.

Chris, you going to be in Tampa?

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What you say is true, NO pump used for SH use is "forever". But some last longer then others. I don't know if you are into building high performance motors Mike, but consider this. Why build a hot rod motor out of a 2 bolt main block with a cast iron crankshaft, when 4 bolt main blocks with forged steel crankshafts are availiable ? And, if a 4 bolt main block with a steel crank was availiable for less money, one would be well advised to use it, right ? The UDOR, John Blue, Comet, Hypro, are all "2 bolt main, cast iron crank" types if they were Hot Rod Motors, and the Air Diapraghm Pump made out of all chemical resistant materials would be the "4 bolt main block with a forged steel crankshaft". The Udor costs 1300.00 with gearbox. A Kynar Air Diapraghm Pump with a 5 year warranty costs under 400.00.

With a small air compressor for a few hundred bucks or so, you are around 1/2 the cost of a UDOR for a pump truly designed and warranted 5 years for chlorine use.

I don't really give a Chit what anyone uses, except I hope my competitors all start buying Udors. We will be out cleaning roofs in tampa when they are broke down.

I use Yamada Kynars, have for years, no pressure washing distributor sells them, thus I have no "horse in this race'.  UDOR flat REFUSED to honor the 'warranty" on these pumps Mike, despite me buying 3 of them from a MUCH larger UDOR reseller then Pressure Tek ! Florida Sprayers here in Tampa equips darn near every Pest Control and AG Guy in Central Florida. They have been one of UDOR's biggest re sellers for years. Still, Gordon from Udor blamed US for the failure of these POS Pumps, and after the third failure (within 3 months) of 2 out of the 3 UDOR Roof Cleaning Pumps, he told me I was on my own! I was pissed off, as only a busy roof cleaning company can be that just spent almost 6 grand on worthless pumps. I gave UDOR every chance to make it right. I even promised UDOR that if this was their final response to me, refusal to honor their "warranty", I would tell others of my experiences. I have kept my promise. This is not a "war" between me and Pressure Tek, you, or anyone else that uses or sells  these pumps. It is simply a matter of me relating my experiences with them. A Roof Cleaning Pump is a pump is a pump. A pump does not "define" the man who uses one. Use what works, for you. When I think of Mike Kreisle 2 things come to mind. One, I remember when you were new to roof cleaning, and your first picture on your web site of you and your girl. You are a whole bunch taller then her. And second, I remember the ball valve video of yours I have watched a thousand times, when at the end, you complete the job, and throw the hose and ball valve down and simply say "ball valve".

That is what comes to my mind, not what pump you use. I drive a Ford Truck, and the local Tampa Rednecks where I hang out all say "Hey, here comes Chris, he's a pretty good ol boy, even though he drives a Ford' LOL

 

And yes, I will be in Tampa, looking foreward to it actually.

 

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Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

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Ron Musgraves wrote:

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Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

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KY Roof Cleaning wrote:

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I came to the conclusion a while back that pumps used to spray Sodium Hypochlorite are expendable. Disposable and need to be factored into expenses. The only folks I see who really sweat having to replace pumps regularly are the one doing $99 roof cleans.

Take the Delavans for example... $130 pumps. Most say they get AT LEAST 10 cleans before a failure. (We did 35 on our first one) So 10 roofs, $130 is $13/roof. Adding $13 to the price of a roof is easy.

Now, my Udor Zeta($1300) has lasted 2 full seasons and is on it's third now. I did not know how long I could expect. When it bites the bullet, I'll try the air even though I don't really want another peice of equipment to worry about. (Air Compressor) Either way, we will be sure to price for profit and not sweat pump costs.

Again, I think they are ALL disposable.

Chris, you going to be in Tampa?

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What you say is true, NO pump used for SH use is "forever". But some last longer then others. I don't know if you are into building high performance motors Mike, but consider this. Why build a hot rod motor out of a 2 bolt main block with a cast iron crankshaft, when 4 bolt main blocks with forged steel crankshafts are availiable ? And, if a 4 bolt main block with a steel crank was availiable for less money, one would be well advised to use it, right ? The UDOR, John Blue, Comet, Hypro, are all "2 bolt main, cast iron crank" types if they were Hot Rod Motors, and the Air Diapraghm Pump made out of all chemical resistant materials would be the "4 bolt main block with a forged steel crankshaft". The Udor costs 1300.00 with gearbox. A Kynar Air Diapraghm Pump with a 5 year warranty costs under 400.00.

With a small air compressor for a few hundred bucks or so, you are around 1/2 the cost of a UDOR for a pump truly designed and warranted 5 years for chlorine use.

I don't really give a Chit what anyone uses, except I hope my competitors all start buying Udors. We will be out cleaning roofs in tampa when they are broke down.

I use Yamada Kynars, have for years, no pressure washing distributor sells them, thus I have no "horse in this race'.  UDOR flat REFUSED to honor the 'warranty" on these pumps Mike, despite me buying 3 of them from a MUCH larger UDOR reseller then Pressure Tek ! Florida Sprayers here in Tampa equips darn near every Pest Control and AG Guy in Central Florida. They have been one of UDOR's biggest re sellers for years. Still, Gordon from Udor blamed US for the failure of these POS Pumps, and after the third failure (within 3 months) of 2 out of the 3 UDOR Roof Cleaning Pumps, he told me I was on my own! I was pissed off, as only a busy roof cleaning company can be that just spent almost 6 grand on worthless pumps. I gave UDOR every chance to make it right. I even promised UDOR that if this was their final response to me, refusal to honor their "warranty", I would tell others of my experiences. I have kept my promise. This is not a "war" between me and Pressure Tek, you, or anyone else that uses or sells  these pumps. It is simply a matter of me relating my experiences with them. A Roof Cleaning Pump is a pump is a pump. A pump does not "define" the man who uses one. Use what works, for you. When I think of Mike Kreisle 2 things come to mind. One, I remember when you were new to roof cleaning, and your first picture on your web site of you and your girl. You are a whole bunch taller then her. And second, I remember the ball valve video of yours I have watched a thousand times, when at the end, you complete the job, and throw the hose and ball valve down and simply say "ball valve".

That is what comes to my mind, not what pump you use. I drive a Ford Truck, and the local Tampa Rednecks where I hang out all say "Hey, here comes Chris, he's a pretty good ol boy, even though he drives a Ford' LOL

 

And yes, I will be in Tampa, looking foreward to it actually.

 

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Chris, I beleive the pump you use is the best likey for the money, Chris your extensive experience is noted.

I think you take this to heart often like I do when some rookie is telling you different.

I know in he roof world there is only one guru. His name Is Chris Tucker...

I have always beleived that and always will.

 

 

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For all I know, they may have changed the UDOR Zeta Ron, my experiences with it are from many years ago. But, it was marketed as a chlorine proof pump then, as now. I respect Mike Kreisle very much, and I like him too. He is reporting good results with the UDOR Roof Cleaning Pump. Ultimately, the buyers will decide, and people will use what they feel is best, just like you said. I do not pressure wash, but I always though IF I ever did, I would have an 8 to 10 GPM hot water machine.

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 I personally know others Chris using it, larger cleaning contractor but still spraying bleach.

I agree, expensive and may not be the best choice. But they are alternative for Air if guys are getting frustrated.

I still want to check a pressure tank.....I did this with regular fleetwash chems. Its worked well...Hose had to be upgraded , fittings too

garyw wrote:

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Hey Ron;
Why is your name spelled two different ways in your signature?? Trying to be "incognito"?? LOL!

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 My name has been Ron Musgraves since Ive been Born. I have and old internet handle back in the Delco days and My last name on Delco was Marshal. I had a pretty crazy identity theft happen to me in the late 90's.

It took 5 years for me to even charge with a CC online after that day much less use my real name. If thats what your reffering too your and old timer. Chris is likely the only guy here that recalls my old handle.

How long you been around Gary?

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX wrote:

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Ron, your name is spelled MUGRAVES, Its missing the "S"

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Roof Cleaning Palm Harbor FL 727 543 3276 wrote:

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Hahahaha! You know your spelling sucks when you can't even spell your own last name. LMAO

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LOL, Ron can put on Roundtables across the country, but can't even spell his own last name right. Kind of like Eienstein couldn't tie his own shoes! Well, Scott and Gary caught it, and I just fixed it.  Ron, RCIA has GOT your back !

Ron Musgraves wrote:

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Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa FL (813) 655-8777 wrote:

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Roof Cleaning Palm Harbor FL 727 543 3276 wrote:

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Hahahaha! You know your spelling sucks when you can't even spell your own last name. LMAO

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LOL, Ron can put on Roundtables across the country, but can't even spell his own last name right. Kind of like Eienstein couldn't tie his own shoes! Well, Scott and Gary caught it, and I just fixed it.  Ron, RCIA has GOT your back !

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I have done that a 1000's time or so...

 

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Thats Ok buddy, we got your back.