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Replacing Gary At The RCIA

garyw · Dec 9, 2012

Chris posted:

I did learn that you are not as forgiving a person as I am disbelief

You know as well I do, Bill is the only one I had a problem with. Last January I was subjected to 3.5 days of constant lies, accusing me of being a thief, deleting BOD tapes, banning members, and a whole lot of other BS lies. Then he turns around and "borrows" the cert plan we were working on an runs with it for his own personal gain. Anybody that was here "should" remember that, but some have "selective" memory. Why would anybody want that kind of person back on here when they can go other places and read his posts.

So I guess I'm not as forgiving as you when it comes to allowing "borrowers" back for a second try.

There are some who are more vocal about Dave coming back. What happened in that case in NO way involved RCIA, but they are dead set about him coming back. Yet when someone directly "borrows something from the RCIA, they want to welcome him back with open arms. Not the way I roll, sorry

PS--Art I am moving forward so I don't need your comments, thanks

-- Edited by garyw on Sunday 9th of December 2012 08:56:44 PM

RCIA Founder

It is with great regret I accept the resignation of my friend Gary. I want to thank Gary for all he did for the RCIA under his watch.

Gary was "not just a moderator" guys, he did far more for RCIA then many here realize. He deserves all of our respect, in what sometimes was a thankless job.

I believe in "thinking out loud", and want YOUR opinions about the possible return of Bill Booze as my "right hand man" here at the RCIA.

No, I have not spoke yet to Bill about this, and I am not sure how he will react if the position is offered to him.

But, I waned to poll the membership first, and see how you guys feel about Bill returning to the Org as sort of my partner, to the forum he loved so much.

I am all ears guys, to WHO you guys suggest to replace Gary. Gary is gonna be a tough act to follow, and we need a dynamic leader Guys.

We need a guy who is energetic, well respected, and good at public speaking, to carry our message.

Any ideas Guys ?

Liberty SoftWash · Dec 10, 2012

Bill is a great leader in the Industry. I would not have a problem with it.

sweetwaterfish · Guest

Bill would certainly have my vote

RCIA Founder

Roof Cleaning By A&E wrote:
Bill is a great leader in the Industry. I would not have a problem with it.

Yes, he most certailnly is, and he is very well respected and liked to boot!

But he is on the UAMCC Board, and his desire (in the past) to Certify the use of Pressure Washing (anyone remember that) to clean roofs with caused a difference of opinion between us.

How do you guys feel about him being on the UAMCC Board, if he were to accept the RCIA Position.

Would that not be a conflict, or are you guys OK with that ?

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Honestly i dont think bill would do it. He is really busy with the uamcc board but you can ask him and see. I wouldnt have a problem with it. I would have a problem if dave w was the canidate.

To make life the easiest would be to have 3-4 moderators and a free forum like when we started out. You can still charge for the certification and have a treasure set up for that or even handle that yourself.

This is your board and your the one making the money so why not be the one in charge and run it like other boards with just moderators. I understand your busy but most all on here that can do the job are busy as well and if there is no compensation then why the hell would anyone do it.

Gary always expressed that he did all that work for free. My question is WHY? You cant effectively run your business and deal with the rcia. Its just a bad business move for the unlucky soul. I also dont see Bill Booze doing for free either.

garyw · Dec 10, 2012

I agree Mike. But you see, there are still some of us "old school" people that like to help others succeed and donate our time and effort for free. We get a lot of enjoyment when these people become successful. I have made great money all my life and with my pension and SS, I do not have to depend on roof cleaning to pay my bills.

I doubt there is anybody that will do what I did for free. Now maybe you will start to realize why a lot of the "opportunities" I was presented with were very hard to deal with when the "pile on" attitude played in. You need to volunteer for this job and it will greatly increase your appreciation of "peace".

Merry Christmas.

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I would never do what you did for free gary. My business is more important to me than this place. If i spent 25-30hrs on here policing everything on here that would mean my business would suffer somewhere and to me that is not an option.

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I think Gary is ready to go,..not sure why everyone is asking him to go against what he believes to be the best for himself. Just let him leave and allow the board to move on. See ya' Gary.

Jeff

Art O · Guest

garyw wrote:
What in the hell you been smoking. You sure must be a slow learner, or your memory is going down the tubes.
Talk about a slap in the face!! You want to listen to the BOD tapes to refresh your memory?
Good luck with that decision!!!
I think I will delete my account.

Gary you are looking back again, We are trying to move forward. Sit back relax and enjoy the party!

Dec 10, 2012

Chris, you already have all of the controls on your end. Im confident that you could just take over and run things. Perhaps appointing another moderator or two toyears assist you would help but for the most part this bb pretty much runs itself on this end. Why not give it a try for a month or two? Asking someone else to help out who is trying like heck to run their business is tough to do. Especially those of us who are still in the field everyday working our arses off and then coming home to deal with calls, Emails and bids. Heck, some days there doesn't even seem to be enough time for family let alone being able to take part in any BB' s. Just my thoughts!

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garyw wrote:
What in the hell you been smoking. You sure must be a slow learner, or your memory is going down the tubes.
Talk about a slap in the face!! You want to listen to the BOD tapes to refresh your memory?
Good luck with that decision!!!
I think I will delete my account.

Just "thinking out loud" Gary, and asking the Guys who they want to replace you, trying to get some ideas.

Now is the time to "refresh my memory", and for all members to speak up, good and bad, about the choice of your replacement.

You will not be easy to replace, and you did an excellent job.

I wish my health were better, and I had the energy I once had.

But, replacing you could not have come at a worse time for me. Let's just leave it at that.

And, any "slap in the face" towards you, or anyone else, on who the guys want to replace you, is totally unintentional.

I have sooo much going on in my life, at the moment, I needed all this like a hole in the head!

I pretty much stayed out of all the past BOD stuff. Politics are just not my thing. Never have been, and never will.

Dec 10, 2012

Obviously there may be some things that the "behind the scenes guys " know about certain members that the rest of us don't. So with that being said I like Bill Booze and would have no problem with him on here. Also I don't care who gets paid thats fine with me also. I can help out for free it's winter here and I'm painting, come summer I only like to roof clean two or three days a week to keep active so it won't bother me then either.

Roof Cleaning West Chester PA · Premium Member Roof Cleaning Institute of America

I'm not aware of what Bill did to get kicked off from here but I've read a lot of his posts and he's certainly partly responsible for helping me build my business so I have no problems with him rejoining the group.

RCIA Founder

There is absolutely no WAY to make everyone Happy. Especially when you have so many people, all with different ideas on how things should be done.

I will try my very best to please the majority of the members here, one reason I have "gone to the membership" seeking input of who, IF anyone, replaces Gary.

I MIGHT very well just run this place myself, with a few Moderators.

The new Forum, when it comes online, will greatly simplify things. This forum leaves an awful lot to be desired, as far as administraion goes.

Right now, I am just "talking out loud", and seeking input from you members, trying to get YOUR thoughs on the important decision I must make soon.

Remember, Gary does not absolutely HAVE to be replaced.

I want to get your thoughts on this, and see what you feel is in the best interests of the yourselves, and the RCIA.

RCIA Founder

I do want to change the roof cleaning cert requirements Guys. I want to absoutely REQUIRE anyone seeking Certification, to be tested ON THE JOB, by an RCIA Certified Member.

NO Exceptions! I am a Certified Weldor. I went to Lincoln Nebraska to school, and had to demonstrate Weding Competence. My Welds were x rayed.

WHY should it be any different for a Roof Cleaning Certification test ?

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If you can't physically handle it chris then the best way to do it is go back to a donated forum and have 3 moderators. Just charge to be a certified roof cleaning member that's it. I bet it would be a lot simpler.

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Raystown Roof Cleaning Central PA 1-800-236-0322 wrote:
Chris, I thin you should keep it simple and just allow it to be a simple forum again. You can run the inner workings and I'm sure a few will step up to be moderators.

Jeff

That's kind of where my head is currently at Jeff. I do believe is Certification, but ONLY if it really means something. ANY "roundtable certification", or over the phone Certification, leaves much to be desired, and opens up the people doing the certification to ridicule.

I envision "RCIA Approved" Instructors who will do the training and testing on a roof, where it belongs. These Instructors will be compensated financially, of course.

What do you think about that approach jeff ?

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I think it's a good idea Chris, but feasibility may be a little tough, having instructors within range of alot of "wanna be's" I think people would just forgo the certification and go roof cleaning the way we did. I mean I don't know...I think it's a tough road to get a certification recognized to where people will go through much effort to get it,..especially when you can do the actual work without it,..no law requires it.

Jeff

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