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garyw · Sep 14, 2011

Need some help--and not too proud to ask for it

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i would use a mild sh mix (very weak) and power wash with a 40degree tip. I use sherwin williams deck and fence scapes. I would invest in a sprayer for this project if you do not have one already. Materials are stain=$36-38a gallon and if spraying it will probrably take 15-17 gallons.
If you dont have a sprayer=300 at home depot or lowes. hope this helps.

Art O · Guest

Gary try Armstrong Clark Its real nice stain.

Apsurfacesolutions · Guest

Art O wrote:
Gary try Armstrong Clark Its real nice stain.

Definitly Armstrong Clark

Roof Cleaning Severna Park MD · guest

Gary, is the fence currently stained or sealed?

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Severna Park MD on Thursday 15th of September 2011 07:29:51 AM

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Roof Cleaning Severna Park MD wrote:
Gary, is the fence currently stained or sealed?

-- Edited by Roof Cleaning Severna Park MD on Thursday 15th of September 2011 07:29:51 AM

Excellent question, as it might need "3 stepped" if it is.

Re stains, I've read a lot of good things about ReadySeal, especially that it does not flash. No experience with it though.

Roof Cleaning Severna Park MD · guest

I've used Ready Seal and you've got to be careful when it's hot because it will flash dry, too. It's easy to apply though, reallllllll easy.

I'd like to add that fences and deck are a PITA - LOL

garyw · Sep 15, 2011

Fence has NOT had anything done to it in about 10 years. It really weathered gray. I hit a small area yesterday with the roof mix and then with my surface cleaner. Did not see a big differnce. Some but not a lot.

Roof Cleaning Severna Park MD · guest

Gary, I'd apply a sodium percarbonate cleaner, allow it to dwell for several minutes and pressure wash off with 500-1000PSI. I just don't think you can get really good results using sodium hypochlorite and no pressure on wood, BUT I could be wrong!

Apsurfacesolutions · Guest

SH is not good for wood. You can use it to remove mold but don't clean wood with it. Use the sodium percarbonate as Phil suggests.

Chesapeake · Guest

The sodium percarbonate would be the way to go. Let dwell for 15 min. and wash off with low pressure as Phil suggests. Follow up by downstreaming oxalic acid. The fence will look new when you're done. Let the wood dry for a few days and apply stain of choice. We use Ready Seal because of the easy application, and the fact that its not affected by rain an hour after it's applied. The Armstrong Clark is an excellent product as well. You're probably looking at 15-20 gal of stain as Mike said.

Roof Cleaning Little Rock Arkansas · Guest

This sounds like a dang painters message board!!!! :)

Roof Cleaning Missouri 417-230-8103 · Guest

I would use sodium precarb ( 8oz to a gallon in pump up sprayer) add a drop of ammonx to give it some cling, let it stand , but dont let it dry , then rinse with low pressure say 500 psi apply 6 oz of oxlic acid to a gallon using pump up, once you start to see it brighting up , you can rinse , the longer the oxlic sit there the brighter it will get, you can apply oxlic while the fence is still wet , this will neutralize the precarb also , it will look new again

Dave

garyw · Sep 17, 2011

Roof Cleaning Missouri 417-230-8103 wrote:
I would use sodium precarb ( 8oz to a gallon in pump up sprayer) add a drop of ammonx to give it some cling, let it stand , but dont let it dry , then rinse with low pressure say 500 psi apply 6 oz of oxlic acid to a gallon using pump up, once you start to see it brighting up , you can rinse , the longer the oxlic sit there the brighter it will get, you can apply oxlic while the fence is still wet , this will neutralize the precarb also , it will look new again

Dave

OK, thanks for the help. These mixtures that everyone gave, how bad is the reaction to landscape and grass? Is it as bas as roof mix? How about skin and lungs? Same precautions as SH?

Thanks

Gary

-- Edited by garyw on Saturday 17th of September 2011 10:23:45 AM

gutterdog · Sep 17, 2011

Roof Cleaning Severna Park MD wrote:
Gary, I'd apply a sodium percarbonate cleaner, allow it to dwell for several minutes and pressure wash off with 500-1000PSI. I just don't think you can get really good results using sodium hypochlorite and no pressure on wood, BUT I could be wrong!

Good Post!!

SH damages the top fibers of the wood, a no no. Just grayed wood use percarbonate, no more that 1000 psi and its soo easy!!!! Way diff than a chemical strip with hydroxide, you dont even have to go with the grain! With the wood still wet apply oxalic acid to brighten dwell and rinse. You must rinse if you are going to seal it.

gutterdog · Sep 17, 2011

Chesapeake wrote:
The sodium percarbonate would be the way to go. Let dwell for 15 min. and wash off with low pressure as Phil suggests. Follow up by downstreaming oxalic acid. The fence will look new when you're done. Let the wood dry for a few days and apply stain of choice. We use Ready Seal because of the easy application, and the fact that its not affected by rain an hour after it's applied. The Armstrong Clark is an excellent product as well. You're probably looking at 15-20 gal of stain as Mike said.

you are right Chris! Did a 3k deck bout 2 months ago and it rained about an hour or less after we sprayed! We walked on it too taking the tape and plastic off! Came out perfect! Ready seal rocks! We pushed all the limits!

My suggestion with ready seal is treat it with the same respect you would a harder to apply seal first. Use common sense. Some of the things you read here, like this. dont try it till later. Wood cleaning is diff than everything else. same with sealing.

I been spraying ready seal 2 years now. It's amazing!

Roof Cleaning Severna Park MD · guest

Gary, everything I've read shows sodium percarbonate to be safe for landscaping and the msds leads me to believe that inhalation can be irritable, but I've never used a respirator to apply.

Roof Cleaning Cleveland (216) 323-0552 · Sep 21, 2011

Gary, I have not had any landscaping issues yet. Call if you have any questions.

Roof Cleaning Raleigh NC · Sep 22, 2011

Holy shit! What stain is $90/Gal.?

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

No wonder you won the job. That price is half of our lowest price to clean it!!
Just to help I would price wood to be cleaned and brightened at a minimum of .45 per ft. up to .85 per foot if very grimey. Sealant should start at .95 a foot without buying the sealer up to 1.25 with sealer supplied by us.
The funny thing is my prices are lower than most of the painters around me. They would have charged $2+ per ft for the project. So they would have been around 10k. My price would have been 7395 with us buying the sealant and some wiggle room.
Now also we always hand apply sealer. Even if you spray it on you are supposed to back brush it, and many people do not. If you do not back brush it, it will fade spotty usually within one year.

If I read that right you are getting 1450 for the staining and cleaning?? That's going to be 2-3 trips. Or did you mean you are getting 4k total?? If so you will get at least 1k a day and that's pretty decent.

Hope this helps for the future.

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