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Bee Clean Pressure Cleaning LLC · Guest

Research prove this?

aaron61 · Guest

That soft washing is the best way to clean a roof

AC Lockyer · none

Here is some science for ya

AC

-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Sunday 20th of February 2011 11:48:01 PM

Roof Cleaning Little Rock Arkansas · Guest

What about the best mixture to achieve a lasting and 100%kill ratio?

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

aaron61 wrote:

That soft washing is the best way to clean a roof

Me too bro, but you never know what the study results will actually be. This is something that we should do, but most of these projects will take years. First we need the 501c formed, than we can go for research grants, after we obtain grants we will need a college or research team of credited scientists for some studies, others we may be able to do in house. The reason it will take time though is we will get info from studies that will open doors to warrent new studies and many of these studies will take long periods of time to create and do the actuall research and testing by the research group.

This is one of the best things that I have ever seen in the cleaning industry, I have never seen a cleaning org, go after real scientific research rather than let manufacturers do it. The problem is many claims are made by many companies that are not neccisarily backed with scientific studies, but rather simple observations, assumptions and hear-say.

aaron61 · Guest

Work it..... But I would be satisfied, as a start,if someone in a better position than me (on video)could lay out some dirty shingles,blast them with a pressure washer & right next to it do a soft wash.Then observe the diffence..ie..granules missing or tile observations as well.

Bee Clean Pressure Cleaning LLC · Guest

I will do that. I have access to a roof simulator for ventilation and take my pressure washer to it, with a number 25 tip and a surface cleaner.

aaron61 · Guest

Bee Clean Pressure Cleaning LLC wrote:

I will do that. I have access to a roof simulator for ventilation and take my pressure washer to it, with a number 25 tip and a surface cleaner.

That would BEE Awesome!! I'll post it on my website!

Bee Clean Pressure Cleaning LLC · Guest

so here is my plan for the shingle test. take a roof sample area and lay a sheet of copy paper down and use a rolling pin and press the paper into it to get a imprint of the shingle texture. then pressure wash it as if i was trying to remove the mold/algae. then let it dry and repeat the texture test. also try to collect all the granule run off and see how much falls off. and maybe hit it with a surface cleaner to video the damage it is going to cause.

aaron61 · Guest

I would be careful not "over do" the pressure washing. make it authentic

B.A. · Guest

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:

aaron61 wrote:

That soft washing is the best way to clean a roof

Me too bro, but you never know what the study results will actually be. This is something that we should do, but most of these projects will take years. First we need the 501c formed, than we can go for research grants, after we obtain grants we will need a college or research team of credited scientists for some studies, others we may be able to do in house. The reason it will take time though is we will get info from studies that will open doors to warrent new studies and many of these studies will take long periods of time to create and do the actuall research and testing by the research group.

This is one of the best things that I have ever seen in the cleaning industry, I have never seen a cleaning org, go after real scientific research rather than let manufacturers do it. The problem is many claims are made by many companies that are not neccisarily backed with scientific studies, but rather simple observations, assumptions and hear-say.

Bill: Couldn't we just hire an independent Lab, give them the different test studies, design the parameters, and at least begin with THAT data. For instance we could probably PROVE the following:

1. infected shingle showing dexterity compromise @ 6mos / 1 year / 2 year /4 year

2. SH effect on asphalt shingle to show the following:
a. dexterity of all layers granual / asphalt / filler 6mos/ 1yr/2yr
b. SH residual after 1month/6 month/ 1 yr/2yr

etc, etc., etc.

aaron61 · Guest

Great ideas! I hope the powers that be are listening?
Not sure I want to know this one but...Proof that leaving the sauce on the roof is better than rinsing IE it will re-activate,somewhat,with rain,or act as a barier?

garyw · Feb 24, 2011

aaron61 wrote:

Great ideas! I hope the powers that be are listening?
Not sure I want to know this one but...Proof that leaving the sauce on the roof is better than rinsing IE it will re-activate,somewhat,with rain,or act as a barier?

This type of stuff is VERY expensive. Maybe after we change over to a non-profit corp. and apply for some Federal grant money, this can be one of the grant topics.
Big step for any group. Be patient!
Gary

Roof Cleaning Bradenton FL 941-822-2454 · Guest

Here is a article written in 2002 older but interesting,

http://www.jlconline.com/cgi-bin/jlconline.storefront/4d66503208d9ced427170a32100a062c/UserTemplate/69?s=4cdf606413866e9b27180a32100a0693&c=1335631d8b9fa015096366a182b6ee96&p=1

Kim R

aaron61 · Guest

I think our pros could do these tests.As long as they're legit about their proceedures that should be acceptable. This is the Roof Cleaning Institue of America!

Feb 24, 2011

All good thoughts.
"Actual unbiased reasearch reports" would be great, but costly and hard to find a competent "respected" place to do them for us.
I think that if a bunch of us make short videos that are represented as tests and do not involve any business names - thus making them more of an unbiased report- that would satisfy the public. I will be doing 4 shingled roofs on Tuesday and see if I can go along with my son that day and make some short videos such as AC said he wanted in another post. I will also get in touch with a roofer friend and see when he has a roof coming up that will be removed, that I can do some tests with a pressure washer / Surface Cleaner and Soft Wash - all on the same roof.
I think this is a very good idea and we need to give each other time to get some videos together and not try to just use what we have in a week or 2. Let's see what we all can come up with by April 1st for instance and then put up a link to view them all from 1 place?
I will get things going on my end asap!
138394,

Chuck

aaron61 · Guest

WOW!!! Awesome Chuck!!

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

Nice guys, and go for it. but it is not about satisfying the public, it is about finding the truth. That requires researchers and scientists, that's what they do. We clean roofs and found the hypothesis, they prove or disprove them.

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 · guest

B.A. wrote:

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:

aaron61 wrote:

That soft washing is the best way to clean a roof

Me too bro, but you never know what the study results will actually be. This is something that we should do, but most of these projects will take years. First we need the 501c formed, than we can go for research grants, after we obtain grants we will need a college or research team of credited scientists for some studies, others we may be able to do in house. The reason it will take time though is we will get info from studies that will open doors to warrent new studies and many of these studies will take long periods of time to create and do the actuall research and testing by the research group.

This is one of the best things that I have ever seen in the cleaning industry, I have never seen a cleaning org, go after real scientific research rather than let manufacturers do it. The problem is many claims are made by many companies that are not neccisarily backed with scientific studies, but rather simple observations, assumptions and hear-say.

Bill: Couldn't we just hire an independent Lab, give them the different test studies, design the parameters, and at least begin with THAT data. For instance we could probably PROVE the following:

1. infected shingle showing dexterity compromise @ 6mos / 1 year / 2 year /4 year

2. SH effect on asphalt shingle to show the following:
a. dexterity of all layers granual / asphalt / filler 6mos/ 1yr/2yr
b. SH residual after 1month/6 month/ 1 yr/2yr

etc, etc., etc.

Yes!!

We want to do this in the future and we will apply for grants to do this.
If any of you have actually looked at the research reports from UC berkley or columbia on Gloeocpasa Magma, you will understand that this is not something we can do ourselves.
It's not mythbusters, it's the real world here lol.

Feb 24, 2011

Baltimore MD Roof Cleaning 410-482-4367 wrote:

Nice guys, and go for it. but it is not about satisfying the public, it is about finding the truth. That requires researchers and scientists, that's what they do. We clean roofs and found the hypothesis, they prove or disprove them.

OK, but I think we know the truth already about pressure washing roofs as opposed to no pressure systems?

A page here of videos showing what we already know, seems like it would be a good link to send potential customers to though?

That's what I personally would care most about.

I don't think any test results would ever show that pressure washing / Cement surface cleaning [ a shingled roof especially ] could possibly be better?

Now, there may be information on cleaning mixtures that a lab could help us improve on through testing?

Chuck

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