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AC Lockyer · none

VOTE...RCIA 50 Point Roof Cleaning Standard

Roof Cleaning New Jersey · Dec 23, 2010

I think there's an extra 45 snuck in between 43 & 44. If I'm not mistaken I think a 30 hour OSHA certification should cover 42, 43, 45, & 44. Please consider this for this would help check off a lot of these requirements in one fell swoop.

Washed-up · guest

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Looks like we are one more step towards the future!!!! They all look sound great and ya'll are doing such a great job, Keep it up!!!!

Central Iowa Roof Cleaning · Certified Cedar Shake Roof Cleaning Specialist

Roof Cleaning New Jersey wrote:

I think there's an extra 45 snuck in between 43 & 44. If I'm not mistaken I think a 30 hour OSHA certification should cover 42, 43, 45, & 44. Please consider this for this would help check off a lot of these requirements in one fell swoop.

I agree. I already have OSHA certification and all this was covered, plus others. I also have Hazmat certification. Example see my web site under " Safety".

Ohter then the above, looks professional.

Thanks

Redfisherman · ETERNAL MEMBER-RESTING IN PEACE

Not to be a PITA, but I know that I am so it doesn't really matter. In the second paragraph "We want those perusing.... the dream" Believe it should be changed to persuing the dream" One is not looking over a menu, or flipping thought magazines, but, actually putting in place active elements (goals) to work toward and reaching the dream of a successful business. Sorry AC, love you like a brother (son) you know that. I saw you were born in 1969, my first of 3 years in VN, fun time for all, you in diapers and me dodging bullets, well anyway all but 2.

#11 wither changed to whether

Section One: As in most orginizations that are Professional, there is a standard format, modified to each companies business, this is detailed in what papers, forms, guidelines are to be used and how they are filled out with basic information. This is pointed out in the points, however, will the RCIA have a basic format of documents as a guideline so all members are on the same page, so to say? These forms or documents would then be added to by each business to be specific to them and their area. i.e. West Coast is different than East Coast.

Section Two: Equipment it is self explanatory, use the proper equipment in the proper manner. Following USDOT guidelines will RCIA post relavent paragraph citations so we are all compilent. Understanding this should be known and followed already by members, however, a guide or fact sheet just makes the organization stronger more professional.

Section Three: Chemicals, good pointing out the bad ones for the environment. Maybe in continuing education for members, a chemical class to enhance knowledge of what to use and what not to use together. Most do this already, "can I use this chemical or that chemical", knowledge is power and the wrong chemical can cause great damage.

Section Four: Safety is stressed in every business, how many safe days without accidents. Just drive down the road an look at the signs for the very large companies they tell you how they are doing. They also have a very large manuel of guidelines that everyone reads and signs. Continuing education as well. The RCIA can give me these 10 points to be followed or used, but how will the RCIA know that I am complient or following the guidelines as a small business of 2 or 3 people? Do we send in an annual check sheet or go to continuing education class.

Section Five: Education CPR, all should already have or in process, this is general safety knowledge, life saving techniques. This is not a comment about the RCIA, if you have children, or are in business already, etc., etc.

42-45- tall order to RCIA member, can as asked in an earlier post OSHA certification be used, or will RCIA give in depth fact sheet or training to certify? Will be big added expense to some completing requirements or certifying same.

45 #2 & 46 - Where will the classes be given and when at a round table, once a year? If locally by who, a traveling training instructor? or going to a larger business in you area (competition?) for training, good points, but a grey area.

49 - RCIA certified school - great idea, much needed education, however what is the cost?, where & when. I know it all needs to be ratified by the membership and this is an evolving organization with growing pains.

After ratification by membership, where do all previous certified members stand, some will find it hard to complete the requirements if having to pay or wait for training to continue the certification or are they grandfathered without the requirements for new member certification? This is just a question, don't take it the wrong way. I understand the previous 50 points and the requirements for the membership, we all want a professional and creditable organization.

The more we do to be proactive the less we have to do to be reactive to OSHA, EPA, USDOT and anyother government agency out there who wants to put a hand in our business by placing more restrictions or requirements on us.

This is all just my opinion and we all know about those, this document was difficult to put together for the members by AC and the board. It is a great step in the right direction, it puts us on the road to being creditable and professional as we have every right to be, however, by not taking these first steps. We are only going to open up the RCIA to rules, regulations and restrictions imposed by others.

-- Edited by Redfisherman on Thursday 23rd of December 2010 09:26:19 AM

-- Edited by Redfisherman on Thursday 23rd of December 2010 09:29:29 AM

garyw · Dec 23, 2010

Thats GREAT! You are a couple steps ahead of everybody else. Just goes to show how some people take professionialism seriously. You can serve as an example as to why this is needed.
Thanks
Gary

deleted member

I voted. Are y'all gonna post the names of those who voted after the voting deadline? This is America and it should be a secret ballot, but IMO there would be more accountability if you posted a list of who voted. Obviously it would be an individual decision whether or not to dicuss your vote. BTW I voted against it for several reasons.

Soft Wash Wizard - Harrisburg, NC · Guest

Section Four Safety

#35 I strongly feel for any RCIA roof cleaning member who either own or rents a lift the operator must be certified. This certification should include or exceed the ANSI A92.5 Boom-Supported Elevating work platform equipment safe operation training. To become certified requires class & equipment operation training. This certification will also meet OSHA standards for operating this type of equipment which will prevent any OSHA fines.

Also, this is like a state CDL license for operating vehicles with air brakes & the gross weight being over 26,001 lbs which is required which many operators don't have.

These are certification & licenses that Vertical Lift Services carries to protect ourselves from receiving heavy fines & helping to keep our insurances premiums lower.

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                                                                 by
                                                  Vertical Lift Services, Inc.

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AC Lockyer · none

Roof Cleaning New Jersey wrote:

I think there's an extra 45 snuck in between 43 & 44. If I'm not mistaken I think a 30 hour OSHA certification should cover 42, 43, 45, & 44. Please consider this for this would help check off a lot of these requirements in one fell swoop.

Yes there will be options out there that will allow for "checking" off multiple educational standards at once. These are supposed to be "points" so we tried to keep each one a stand alone point.

AC

garyw · Dec 23, 2010

Redfisherman wrote:

Not to be a PITA, but I know that I am so it doesn't really matter. In the second paragraph "We want those perusing.... the dream" Believe it should be changed to persuing the dream" One is not looking over a menu, or flipping thought magazines, but, actually putting in place active elements (goals) to work toward and reaching the dream of a successful business. Sorry AC, love you like a brother (son) you know that. I saw you were born in 1969, my first of 3 years in VN, fun time for all, you in diapers and me dodging bullets, well anyway all but 2.

#11 wither changed to whether

Section One: As in most orginizations that are Professional, there is a standard format, modified to each companies business, this is detailed in what papers, forms, guidelines are to be used and how they are filled out with basic information. This is pointed out in the points, however, will the RCIA have a basic format of documents as a guideline so all members are on the same page, so to say? These forms or documents would then be added to by each business to be specific to them and their area. i.e. West Coast is different than East Coast.

Section Two: Equipment it is self explanatory, use the proper equipment in the proper manner. Following USDOT guidelines will RCIA post relavent paragraph citations so we are all compilent. Understanding this should be known and followed already by members, however, a guide or fact sheet just makes the organization stronger more professional.

Section Three: Chemicals, good pointing out the bad ones for the environment. Maybe in continuing education for members, a chemical class to enhance knowledge of what to use and what not to use together. Most do this already, "can I use this chemical or that chemical", knowledge is power and the wrong chemical can cause great damage.

Section Four: Safety is stressed in every business, how many safe days without accidents. Just drive down the road an look at the signs for the very large companies they tell you how they are doing. They also have a very large manuel of guidelines that everyone reads and signs. Continuing education as well. The RCIA can give me these 10 points to be followed or used, but how will the RCIA know that I am complient or following the guidelines as a small business of 2 or 3 people? Do we send in an annual check sheet or go to continuing education class.

Section Five: Education CPR, all should already have or in process, this is general safety knowledge, life saving techniques. This is not a comment about the RCIA, if you have children, or are in business already, etc., etc.

42-45- tall order to RCIA member, can as asked in an earlier post OSHA certification be used, or will RCIA give in depth fact sheet or training to certify? Will be big added expense to some completing requirements or certifying same.

45 #2 & 46 - Where will the classes be given and when at a round table, once a year? If locally by who, a traveling training instructor? or going to a larger business in you area (competition?) for training, good points, but a grey area.

49 - RCIA certified school - great idea, much needed education, however what is the cost?, where & when. I know it all needs to be ratified by the membership and this is an evolving organization with growing pains.

After ratification by membership, where do all previous certified members stand, some will find it hard to complete the requirements if having to pay or wait for training to continue the certification or are they grandfathered without the requirements for new member certification? This is just a question, don't take it the wrong way. I understand the previous 50 points and the requirements for the membership, we all want a professional and creditable organization.

The more we do to be proactive the less we have to do to be reactive to OSHA, EPA, USDOT and anyother government agency out there who wants to put a hand in our business by placing more restrictions or requirements on us.

This is all just my opinion and we all know about those, this document was difficult to put together for the members by AC and the board. It is a great step in the right direction, it puts us on the road to being creditable and professional as we have every right to be, however, by not taking these first steps. We are only going to open up the RCIA to rules, regulations and restrictions imposed by others.

-- Edited by Redfisherman on Thursday 23rd of December 2010 09:26:19 AM

-- Edited by Redfisherman on Thursday 23rd of December 2010 09:29:29 AM

Very good points brought up.

There are several different ways to express what was being conveyed in the opening address. Your may be a better way and wil be addressed.

Section 1. RCIA is about to offer standard business forms for all aspects of a Roof Cleaning business, modifyable to each separate business, with all Logos available, at a very reasonable cost.

Section 2 Equipment use will be addressed thru the use of webinars and live talk shows (Gary & Jerry show) that will feature special guests that are proficient and certified within whatever field they are presenting about. These presentations will also be used for providing the Continuing Education Credits that will be required for annual re-certification.

Section 3 & section 4
These will also be addressed and training and documentation provided thru the facilities referred to in section 2 above. These types of technology will play a very important role in our certification process. Archivable documentation is also available through these systems.

Section 5 Everyone who performs the type of work sanctioned by RCIA should have a great knowledge of the possible hazards that can strike on a daily basis. Being trained in the arts of medical assistance could possibly save the life of a employee or family member. Training in OSHA principles will satisfy these requirements for the most part, with supplemental training provided through RCIA training guidelines. Training schools and Instructors will be a added feature of RCIA
membership. We are developing certification guidelines for RCIA Instructors, who will have the ability to conduct RCIA certification at various locations set up by them at their home locations. As stated before, any member who currently holds a certification, will maintain that certification until 12-31-2011. At that time they will be required to pass these new certification principles, Any classes completed prior to this will be applied to the new requirements.

Hopefully this will answer some of the concerns everyone will have. Changes will be made as we progress, and this will be a work in progress for the near future. Your help in drafting any needed changes is appreciated.
Gary

Guest

Roof Stain Removers wrote:

I voted. Are y'all gonna post the names of those who voted after the voting deadline? This is America and it should be a secret ballot, but IMO there would be more accountability if you posted a list of who voted. Obviously it would be an individual decision whether or not to dicuss your vote. BTW I voted against it for several reasons.

I voted NO as well. This is far too much like Big Government. Something tells me this vote will follow closely with party lines.

For those that have the drive, creativity, business savvy and common business sense, join me in voting NO on this.

Feel free to call me if you'd like hear additional rationale.

(To the Board - with the RCIA having become 'For Profit', and seeing the results of the vote so far, this will end up damaging your bottom line unless the results change during the voting process. It's essentially splitting your current potential revenue base.)

Respectfully,

Ted

Soft Wash Wizard - Harrisburg, NC · Guest

Gary, did you mean current certificaions will be valid only thru 12/31/2010? You stated 12/31/2011.

                                        RoofandConcreteCleaning.com
                                                             by
                                             Vertical Lift Services, Inc.

                                         Steve@VerticalLiftServices.com
                                                      704-791-8315

AC Lockyer · none

Roof Cleaning New Jersey wrote:

I think there's an extra 45 snuck in between 43 & 44. If I'm not mistaken I think a 30 hour OSHA certification should cover 42, 43, 45, & 44. Please consider this for this would help check off a lot of these requirements in one fell swoop.

I also fixed the extra point in education. sorry it was 1 am when I finished this.

AC

Redfisherman · ETERNAL MEMBER-RESTING IN PEACE

Again, just my own opinion. This is a work in progress, here is where we are, there is where we would like to go. The points as written are not set it stone, I understood that, they are flexible. There has to be a starting point, this is it.

By voting yes, one is not saying don't make changes, I agree in principle, but I will voice my opinion and suggest changes. By voting no, isn't going to make it go away, the process has started, we all need to have input into this process.

The manuel of standard forms, practices, procedures and requirements is what I meant earlier. A basic operations manuel not a How to Book.

Everyone working together will only benefit the organization giving the RCIA the legitimate claim to Certified Rood Cleaning Professional. This will also give your customers the secure feeling that you know what you are doing and not going to wreck their home.

-- Edited by Redfisherman on Thursday 23rd of December 2010 10:35:53 AM

AC Lockyer · none

Central Iowa Roof Cleaning 515-971-1430 wrote:

Roof Cleaning New Jersey wrote:

I think there's an extra 45 snuck in between 43 & 44. If I'm not mistaken I think a 30 hour OSHA certification should cover 42, 43, 45, & 44. Please consider this for this would help check off a lot of these requirements in one fell swoop.

I agree. I already have OSHA certification and all this was covered, plus others. I also have Hazmat certification. Example see my web site under " Safety".

Ohter then the above, looks professional.

Thanks

Bruce,

Then you would submit those docs to the RCIA Cert Com. for your certification. Great head start.

AC

AC Lockyer · none

Roof Stain Removers wrote:

I voted. Are y'all gonna post the names of those who voted after the voting deadline? This is America and it should be a secret ballot, but IMO there would be more accountability if you posted a list of who voted. Obviously it would be an individual decision whether or not to dicuss your vote. BTW I voted against it for several reasons.

we would love to know the reasons so we can make sure the document is the best we can offer.

Thanks,

AC

AC Lockyer · none

Vertical Lift Services wrote:

Section Four Safety

#35 I strongly feel for any RCIA roof cleaning member who either own or rents a lift the operator must be certified. This certification should include or exceed the ANSI A92.5 Boom-Supported Elevating work platform equipment safe operation training. To become certified requires class & equipment operation training. This certification will also meet OSHA standards for operating this type of equipment which will prevent any OSHA fines.

Also, this is like a state CDL license for operating vehicles with air brakes & the gross weight being over 26,001 lbs which is required which many operators don't have.

These are certification & licenses that Vertical Lift Services carries to protect ourselves from receiving heavy fines & helping to keep our insurances premiums lower.

RoofandConcreteCleaning.com
by
Vertical Lift Services, Inc.

Steve@VerticalLiftServices.com
704-791-8315

Steve,

yes ANSI regs will be covered in technical bulitens that will be released covering the various points.

Also some operators will not fall into DOT's jurisdiction. Some will. Either way every RCIA member must know the regs and where they sit with the DOT. Most RCIA members are transporting hazardous materials on the roads. It is their responsibility to make sure they comply with DOT regs.

AC

garyw · Dec 23, 2010

Vertical Lift Services wrote:

Gary, did you mean current certificaions will be valid only thru 12/31/2010? You stated 12/31/2011.

                                        RoofandConcreteCleaning.com
                                                             by
                                             Vertical Lift Services, Inc.

                                         Steve@VerticalLiftServices.com
                                                      704-791-8315

Current certifications will be valid thru 12-31-2011

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