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Let me know what you think about this matter

Confident Roof Cleaning Houston TX · Guest

My thoughts:

1. Thats rediculous.
2. Thats a great sales tool for him. Now you need one.
3. Dont worry about competition. Drive customers to you, dont wait for them to find you, because then they are finding both of you.

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Good point Scott about going after the customers. I'm not really worried about the competition, after a year and half of research on the different methods of roof cleaning, I am a firm believer in the RCIA way and convinced that this is the best way to clean a roof, but I just wanted to make sure that I'm on the same page as the rest of you guy's. Thanks for the input.

Aug 20, 2010

Here. Just print this out and keep one handy to show customers.

http://www.asphaltroofing.org/pdf/tb_217.pdf

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Roof Cleaning Palm Harbor FL 727 543 3276 wrote:

Here. Just print this out and keep one handy to show customers.

http://www.asphaltroofing.org/pdf/tb_217.pdf

i use this on every estimate i go on.

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I already been using that. I even went as far as to call GAF/Elk, Certainteed, Tamko, Owens Corning, and IKO these are the five major shingles used in my area, and asked specifically what they recommend to clean algae from their shingles. Each one responded with the same solution we use except IKO wich wouldn't say officially what to use but pointed me to the ARMA bulletin. So I'm confident in our spray solution. I guess what i'm wodering is - am I right to say a customer that the black streaks on your roof is not actually mold so this guy's article doesn't apply to your situation.

AC Lockyer · none

landisconstruction wrote:

Here is an article on my local competion's website. http://www.shingleroofcleaningllc.com/faq/bleach-does-not-kill-mold/ It explains how SH does not kill mold. My thought is even if this was true, the mold he is talking about is not the same Algae we a dealing with. Am I right to think this? If so Then that is all I need to explain to a customer that is comparing our services side by side (not to mention he is using a pitch witch or roof-gitter). He is talking about the mold returning in less than two years. He is making it sound as though the mold ( which I assume he is referring to the algae) was never dead in the first place and has regrown. I would think that the new stuff after two years is actually a new growth of the algae and not the same spores that were there originally. Which in that case we have no control over the airborne spores returning. I know this is referred to mold by the general public, but is it really a mold. Let me know what the rest of you think about this. I just like to be prepaired for this situation if it arises.

Ahhhhhhhhhh ummmmmmmmmmm........................

That's RIGHT! Bleach "sodium Hypoclorite" doesn't achieve a 100% kill ratio! Yall didn't know this? Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

AC

Washed-up · guest

Although bleach will kill and decolorize mold, it does not remove mold. Dead mold can still cause allergic reactions.

sweetwaterfish · Guest

But we're not killing mold.........we're killing algae!!!!!!!!!!!! Big difference, and I think I'd point that out to his customers too. Sounds like he doesn't even understand what is causing the problem. If that the case, how can he even treat the issue properly?

Washed-up · guest

landisconstruction wrote:

I already been using that. I even went as far as to call GAF/Elk, Certainteed, Tamko, Owens Corning, and IKO these are the five major shingles used in my area, and asked specifically what they recommend to clean algae from their shingles. Each one responded with the same solution we use except IKO wich wouldn't say officially what to use but pointed me to the ARMA bulletin. So I'm confident in our spray solution. I guess what i'm wodering is - am I right to say a customer that the black streaks on your roof is not actually mold so this guy's article doesn't apply to your situation.

Educate your customer that you are correct, it is not mold on his roof..but this guys website about mold not being 100% killed with bleach is true as well. Kinda a tit for tat kind of thing.

BCRoofClean · Guest

landisconstruction wrote:

Here is an article on my local competion's website. http://www.shingleroofcleaningllc.com/faq/bleach-does-not-kill-mold/ It explains how SH does not kill mold. My thought is even if this was true, the mold he is talking about is not the same Algae we a dealing with. Am I right to think this? If so Then that is all I need to explain to a customer that is comparing our services side by side (not to mention he is using a pitch witch or roof-gitter). He is talking about the mold returning in less than two years. He is making it sound as though the mold ( which I assume he is referring to the algae) was never dead in the first place and has regrown. I would think that the new stuff after two years is actually a new growth of the algae and not the same spores that were there originally. Which in that case we have no control over the airborne spores returning. I know this is referred to mold by the general public, but is it really a mold. Let me know what the rest of you think about this. I just like to be prepaired for this situation if it arises.

Hey Barry,

I have been in the mold remediation business for years. I have all kinds of certifications and all that jazz. What we are dealing with is a bacteria. In the indoor air quality industry we stay as far away from bleach as we can. That is if you are a good professional with high standards, most hacks roll in there with bleach and go to town. There are many reasons why you do not want to use bleach indoors but that is all focusing on indoor air quality. Indoor and outdoor air are two completely different animals.

The main issue with bleach not killing mold is that it is made up of more than 90% water and the active ingredients(SH) exsiccate the cleaning agent, so they dissapate or dry quickly, overall, faster than water, hence leaving more WATER than you started with which in most indoor situations is the biggest culprit to mold growth.

Instead the best method for such remediation is a natural degreaser such as simple green, but this does almost nothing for the stains.

Indoors people refer to most growth as "mold" and outdoors as "Algae", there are differnces though. Make sure your customers know the truth and arent fooled by this sales pitch that the competition throws them.

The main problem is customers aren't fully aware, it is up to us to educate them. We are not trying to elimanate all spores and coloniztions on their roof, We are merely removing the stains and return the roof to it's normal fungal ecology . That is the important thing to remember.

No one ever said anything about remediating mold on the roof and if this guy thinks he is doing that then he can pay the ten thousand dollar poultion liability insurance as a starting rate, trust me it goes up from there.

You also need a license to perform this type of work (mold remediation)and be certified in several areas as well in most states. So if this guy is claiming that he is performing mold remediation he had better be insured and experienced to do so.

jetstream · Guest

I have been killing indoor mold since 2003 I treated many houses in New Orleans after Katrina. And I now bleach does not work. I have done many jobs where people have spayed bleach on the wood framing of a house and although the wood looked cleaner, fresh healthy looking mold would grow back a few weeks later then they would call us.
But mold needs consistant moisture to stay live in a home.

So Im thinkg on a new roof every time it rains and the roof gets wet mold or algae starts to grow then when the sun comes out and drys the roof the mold or algae dies but leaves the dead mold spores or algae behind on the roof.
After a few years of this cycle I think thats where the black stains come from.
I noticed on most of the befor and after pics the darkest stains are almost always under a air vent or some pipe sticking out the roof and thats couse the pipes slow the water from draining down and it stays wet longer there for the mold or algae grows stronger in those areas.

So ya even if bleach or sh killed 100% of the mold or algae whats to stop the cycle from happing again. In my job we give a 7 year warranty for mold but it is void if there is a water leak for over 48 hours even though we spray an antimicrobial after we kill it.

-- Edited by jetstream on Saturday 21st of August 2010 02:16:42 AM

Roof Cleaning Pro's of NJ · Guest

Great post Bucks Co. I would go after the high pressure roof gitter and the damage power washing can cause. End of story!

AC Lockyer · none

We actually have from Gainsville south in Florida a specific strain of fungus that is a mutalism between an algae and a bacteria. One can not live without the other. It takes a specific chemical combination to get a 100% kill ratio or the funk returns within 18 months.

This strain only grows in southern Florida and the Carribean. Something to think about...

AC

BCRoofClean · Guest

AC Lockyer wrote:

We actually have from Gainsville south in Florida a specific strain of fungus that is a mutalism between an algae and a bacteria. One can not live without the other. It takes a specific chemical combination to get a 100% kill ratio or the funk returns within 18 months.

This strain only grows in southern Florida and the Carribean. Something to think about...

AC

Sounds like a SUPER-LICHEN! Or possibly a cyanolichen? Saw pleanty of them doing a training at the DOH in St. Croix.

Thats a great stat for you FL guys, if you post that you have the specific formula that can kill the super-bacteria you will get more business! wink

AC whenever you have a ... or a hmmmmm in your post it's an obvious inclination that this information is written down and part of your business building package already.

You intrigue me, I think we might need a Wilderness adventure up here in PA. biggrin

AC Lockyer · none

BCRoofClean wrote:

AC Lockyer wrote:

We actually have from Gainsville south in Florida a specific strain of fungus that is a mutalism between an algae and a bacteria. One can not live without the other. It takes a specific chemical combination to get a 100% kill ratio or the funk returns within 18 months.

This strain only grows in southern Florida and the Carribean. Something to think about...

AC

Sounds like a SUPER-LICHEN! Or possibly a cyanolichen? Saw pleanty of them doing a training at the DOH in St. Croix.
Thats a great stat for you FL guys, if you post that you have the specific formula that can kill the super-bacteria you will get more business!
AC whenever you have a ... or a hmmmmm in your post it's an obvious inclination that this information is written down and part of your business building package already.
You intrigue me, I think we might need a Wilderness adventure up here in PA.

Would love to tap into an area as VIRGIN as PA! I would feel like Louis and Clark crossing the Mississippi.... Call me on Monday. I am already booked through the SC NCE event. Then its going to get crazy after that event with the new "launch"

Anyway if you want to do that we need to chat on Monday.

Thanks,

AC

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Great input guys. Thanks for the help. It appears my roof cleaning thoughts are right on track with you other guys.

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