Increase the amount of SH. Increase ISO. Add just a little TSP. Add a good amount of billy bob too.
That is a bad roof. It's actually white. I would not rinse. I'd walk away rather than rinse that roof.
Sometimes, you can't let people dictate to you how to get the job done. This is one of those cases.
The methods taught here are proven methods. I've seen it myself and I have no doubts that if you give it time and let it work you will see amazing results.
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I would think adjust the mix acordingly, also if the customer definitly wants you to rinse, after doing the house and drive then rinse. If nothing else the time on the job may give you more exposure to potential customers
First off, NEVER let the customer tell you how to clean a roof. I would not rinse that on the same day I cleaned it. Your best option is to go back and rinse after at least 24 hours. That's where experience comes in. When the customer insisted on rinsing, I would have smiled, gladly accepted, and explained the additional costs for me returning to rinse.
Secondly, no big deal, but I see this on here quite frequently and it will eventually confuse people: ISO is NOT the abbreviation for alcohol. Nor is it IPO.
The abbreviation for alcohol is IPA. IsoPropylAlcohol. Not being a smart butt, but trying to clear it up so there's no confusion.
Most importantly, I would be cautious as to how fresh 10% would be. I had to use some last year in an emergency, and will never do it again. You see, 12% is not the standard, it's just the minimum. My stuff here is manufactured at 16%, and I get it when it's less than 24 hours old, so it's closer to 14%, rather than 12%.
You can bump your ratio of sh to water up a bit, but if the 10% is fresh, it will work fine.
Did you explain to the customer that there is a greater risk of damaging the landscaping when rinsing? Does the customer realize that they will see results of the roof cleaning without rinsing. You really have to educate your customer on the entire process sometimes. They aren't always familiar with no pressure cleaning, and may think its got to be rinsed in order to come clean. I've had several customers that were persistant as well, but I always changed there mind. I rinsed 1 roof last year, and that was for a realtor that was having an open house.
I would have to agree about not rinsing and as for 10% never used it. I have always had the 12.5% myself but sometimes its stronger than others just depends on how long it sits in the drum. I have had some issues with people insisting on rinsing and I just try to educate them but if they want it rinsed I wait for 24 or 48 hrs and also I do not give them a 2 year warranty on it. I know times are hard and you have to make the money but sometimes it's better to walk away. Good luck.
Exactly what Gunther said. Not rinsing actually gets the roof cleaner due to the increased dwell time and the reactivation of the Hypochlorite molecule every time it gets wet. Up to about the third or fourth rain, the roof will actually get cleaner each time, before the salt totally diminishes and is rinsed off.
Well, I guess the majority is the ruling factor. I will be contacting the customer tomorrow and let them know all the information I have gathered her, they actually brought up this site in reference. I will also let them know that if they insist on rinsing, they will need to find someone else. I cant chance my company name.
Thank you all who have posted.
Dont stop the postings tho...I want more input from others as well.
Thanks again guys!
-- Edited by Washed-up on Sunday 21st of March 2010 11:09:05 PM
Good news, it looks like there aren't any decks and a lack of landscaping there to worry about.
If I was washing that roof, I'd use a 35-40% SH & my detergent and not rinse. If you have to rinse, dwell it for as long as possible (completely dry).
I agree with the others about not letting a customer tell you how to wash; after all when you kill their plants, they'll still want them replaced, even though they requested the rinsing.
I have a feeling though that love working on the light roof will make such a difference, they'll be delighted before the rinse is done!
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I have my first paying job this weekend, and I have doubts/questions...
My supplier only has 10% SH. I am concerned it isnt strong enough. OTC is 6%. I dont want to add more tsp due to only having gutters on 2 sides of home and the etching effect on aluminum facia's.
Should I just increase my gal of SH and add a lil more amonyx lo? This customer also is requesting to rinse roof. I explained the benefits of dwell time and rainfall, but still persistant.
It will be a complete roof, house softwash, drive and sidewalk.
Need input....
2100 sq ft including garage, with approx 4-1 pitch.
I just got my pump and amonyx lo from lori and getting set up done.
Please roof vets?????
You have a few days before the job I would keep looking for a supplier of 12% to !5% SH.
Did some research and found this quote from Chris T.
The amount of sodium hydroxide is from .5 to 1.3 percent in Sodium Hypochlorite. I have actually collected run off from a roof cleaning, and tried to "re cycle it". It is so weakened by it;s battle with the roof algae, it did not do much, if anything. What is left behind on a roof, after cleaning, is basically Salt. Now, Salt can and will damage plants, just dump a bag of rock salt on a bush, see what happens! I have been trying for years to get Calcium Hypochlorite to work for cleaning roofs. All that is left when it evaporates is harmless Calcium, vs Salt!
Rinsing 1/4 of the roof nearest the plant drip edges has proven to be a workable solution to the problem.
Yes, you CAN completely rinse the roof after cleaning, just allow 1/2 hour dwell time to be certain ALL algae spores are killed. IF completely rinsing, you must be careful! Rinse one side at a time, and do 1/2 of that side, water plants until water stannds, them, go bak and rins the rest of that side, and repeat
That roof will be cake. Easy to get to, no slopes. Don't worry. If they insist you rinse you should tell them you will not be able to offer a warranty. Depending on amount of billy bob and TSP used you could be rinsing awhile.
The Apple Cider Sauce mixture has been the majority choice for most RCIA members. Substitute dawn with Ammonyx Lo.
TSP mixed at only 2oz/gallon is not to be feared and will greatly enhance the cleaning power of your mix. It also helps keep the roof cleaner longer.
Like everyone has mentioned before, not rinsing will give you a distinct advantage over your competitors because it will also keep the roof cleaner longer.
Go to Roof Cleaning Patents and Technical Articles thread and print out the RCIA technical bulletin and give it to your customers.
This will prove that you know what you are doing and will give your customer's roof cleaning job the best possible results and longevity without pressure or heavy rinsing.
Ok....I spoke to my customer again and explained more in detail about the NO RINSE and they understood. But now since this is my first mix job as well I need YOUR advice. Here is what I thought. Remember to look at the picture. I will have a ground guy and will be covering delicate plants and covering shrubs.
2100 sq ft 4-1 pitch
30 gallons of-10% sodium hypochlorite (all I can my Hands on right now) 25 gallons hot water 1 lbs. TSP (Tri-sodium phosphate) 64 ounces of isopropol alcohol 1/4 bottle of Amox Lo.
Mix TSP night before in hot water. SH in tank, will add H20 to SH then add TSP and then surfacant then the alcohol......
Hey guys I have an important question about rinsing. When you rinse, do you spray the area where the downspouts go to with water first and after and does it kill the grass? I assume that is why it is much better to wait 24 hrs to rinse right?
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