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idontknow wrote:

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Ok, as you know I keep bring up different chemicals, why because I believe there is a safer way to do things, I just have to find it.

I would like to list a few store bought chemicals that you may wish to look up the msds of and look at what is in them, they are all non toxic-ish and safe-ish

1. Simple green Lime & scale remover (this stuff rocks) and is safe (
Urea hydrochloride) http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands&id=19006017 
2. Green works natural bathroom cleaner (contains glycolic acid) I like it
3. Vanish napisan baby care (WTF) basically peroxide but with activators and all the good stuff in it (it's promising)
4. your Ammoxy lo stuff or similar made from (coconut oil) fatty acid surfactant, coconut oil is used in surfactants, fungicides and herbicides and is safe as houses
5. Urea, buy if from your local hardware store, no it dose not smell, it has no odour and can be transformed into some interesting stuff
6. buy some of each and mix it together, I have done this and the results are very interesting

I have also been looking at OXONE from DuPont sounds interesting http://www2.dupont.com/Oxone/en_US/index.html

Yes I am a crazy little Aussie guy, but a few nuts help the squirrels  keep the wheels turning.

Got some samples of Twin Oxide, hmmm if it was stronger it could be alright but it is supplied as a 0.3% (3,000 ppm) solution and as we are use to working with a chemical supplied at 125,000 ppm it seems a bit weak in comparison

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idontknow wrote:

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Bob jr. don't be in such a hurry to unload you Sodium percarbonate,

Sodium percarbonate is powered Hydrogen peroxide, but these products in there basic form need heat to release thier oxygen, 60 deg celcius or more, unless you add a cold water/low temperature activator to them (TAED) mixing sodium percarbonate in cold water dose not release the oxygen that is needed to clean and bleach (the oxygen is locked up) , products like napisan have activators in it that release the oxygen (it's bleaching / cleaning power) at low temperatures


http://www.lenntech.com/processes/disinfection/chemical/disinfectants-hydrogen-peroxide.htm
if you look at the table half way down the page you can see peroxide has more oxidation potential then chlorine, even more then Chlorine dioxide, it just has to be released to allow it to work. I did see a product that is added to sodium percarbonate claiming to increase the oxygen potential x 10 fold (may of even been the urea stuff, can not remember now) Urea peroxide (hydrogen peroxide mixed with urea) is a very powerful bleaching and sanitizing agent. peroxide is a SAFE chemical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbamide_peroxide also whitens your teeth

Hydrogen peroxide / sodium percarbonate strips / neutralizes chlorine from / in water
I read some where that if you spray some sodium percarbonate along the edge of the roof before you start spraying SH that as the SH runs off the roof and over the percarbonate that it neutralizes the SH making the run off safe for plants???

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